Re: V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai: Inventor of e-mail honored by Smithsonian
Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sun, 19 February 2012 01:51 UTC
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For reference, I just sent this message: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:14:29 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking To: Peggy Kidwell <kidwellp@si.edu> CC: Emi Kolawole <emi.kolawole@washtingtonpost.com> Subject: V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai's purported invention of email Ms. Kidwell, Hello. I just saw the Washington Post article about V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai's work being acknowledged by the Smithsonian as the invention of email. In the video associated with the article, he cites contact with you. So I thought you might be appropriate to contact for possible followup through the Smithsonian. I'm trying to copy Post article's author, but am guessing at her email address. Unfortunately, Ayyadurai's work was not even close to the earliest email. Email dates back to the 1960's with the earliest computer timesharing systems, such as at MIT. Networked email was invented by Ray Tomlinson at Bolt, Beranek & Newman (BBN) in 1971; the email object from then looks remarkably similar to the basic message that Internet Mail; the service has actually been in continuous operation since then. Ray added inter-machine transfer -- ie, networking -- to the existing "sndmsg" mail system on BBN's timesharing system and it already had To:, cc: and From:. I don't recall whether it had bcc, but bcc was certainly in use shortly after that. For example, it was in the system that I built in 1976. I've attached some documentation about that system (MS). This core functionality pre-dates my own efforts; this is just the easiest way I can document it for you. I should also mention that Ray and I were given the IEEE Internet Award for our respective work on email. Over the last year or so, Ayyadurai contacted me about with his claims. I ignored them because they are so easy to disprove. (As one of my colleagues just noted, try looking up email in Wikipedia.) Again referring to the attached Rand Report, note that the first paragraph in the Preface has the term 'electronic mail'. And again I'll note that mine was not original use of the term. I'm glad to chat with you or anyone else about the real history of email, although I wasn't in at its actual start. My own involvement did not begin until 1972... [attachment: Framework & Functions of the MS Message System, Rand Report R-2134] -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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