Re: ETSI vs. Magaziner whose interests? (was) RE: CORE == Big Brother ??

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>]

Jm and all,

Jim Dixon wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, Sascha Ignjatovic wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Gordon Cook wrote:
> >
> > > So sascha thinks the ITU should take over the internet.
> >
> > itu was invited by mr.heath/isoc to participate in the process of
> > political internationalisation and globalisation of the internet
> > organisational infrastructure
>
> ISOC has 6,000 members and claims to represent the 60 million users
> of the Internet.  Only the very credulous would accept this claim.

  How true.

>
>
> I am an Internet user.  Which of ISOC's members represents me?  How
> did he or she acquire my support?

  DId you ever join the ISOC?  if so that is how they determined you as one of
its supporters.

>
>
> > only a fool would not "use" such big organisation for the benefit of
> > further global internet development
>
> The Internet has grown at an incredible rate without the help of
> the ITU.  Many would argue that it has grown at this rate BECAUSE
> of the lack of "help" from large, telco-dominated organizations.
>
> The telcos rightly regard the Internet as a threat.  The growth of
> telephone traffic, ie voice traffic, is more or less limited to
> population growth, say 2-3% a year overall.  Internet traffic grows
> along a very fast exponential curve, with an increasing amount of that
> traffic being machine-to-machine.  Internet traffic will shortly or
> has already eclipsed voice in terms of volume and in terms of value
> added.

  Though I hate to agree that the Telco's view the Internet as a threat, I must

for the most part.  Though not all do.  This problem is really due to two
things.
1.) The telcos, dragged their feet in understanding and getting involved in
the development of the Internet because they never thought it would
eclipse the Voice communications they already developed.  This is especially
true of AT&T.  2.) This reason is related to #1 as well.  When technology
for using voice communications over the internet without incurring long
distance charges.  This worries the Telco's substantially.

>
>
> The telcos are fighting a rearguard action.  Everywhere they are
> lobbying governments to distort pricing and choke Internet traffic.
> In the UK, for every 20p that goes to ISPs for Internet traffic,
> 80p goes to the telcos.  They use this 80p to frantically build
> defenses against the enemy: us.  They get the money from us, they
> use it to fight us.

  Very true.  But they are starting to loose this battle slowly.  This slipping

in the battle on the side of the Telco's is becoming more and more evident to
the
Internet using public and the general public all over the world.  The 1996
Telecommunications act is stark evidence of this.

>
>
> > pps.when you read mr.tarjanes speech to the end you would see that it was
> >     in atempt to bring the telcos closer to the wonderful thing internet
> >     and so to mobilize their resources for further development of the
> >     internet
>
> Translation: "to mobilize their resources to fight, block, and try to
> take over the Internet".
>
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Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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