Re: IANA and ARIN

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>]

John and all,

John Charles Broomfield wrote:

> Jim Fleming wrote:
>
> > The U.S. Government is now at a decision point. In July of 1997, the
> > White House issued an Executive Order to privatize the Registry
> > Industry. This has not yet happened. Part of the problem in making it
> > happen is handling the disposal of U.S. Government assets. As an
> > example, look at IPv4 addresses. Just as the FCC auctions spectrum,
> > the IPv4 space could be auctioned. This would help to bring revenue to
> > the U.S. Government.
>
> This is downright stupid. If IP space was auctioned, then you could possibly
> have someone coming along (say Bill Gates), dumping a large amount of cash,
> and claiming all the space for himself.

  Excuse me John, but are you stupid or just ignorant?  This statement in
response
to Jim suggestion that the IPv4 address space much like the FCC auctions off
transmission spectrum in different categories, sure seems like you are either
not aware of how and what rules apply to the FCC's spectrum auction
process or you are just being stupid and grandstanding in an attempt to smear
Jim in this case.

  IPv4 address space could indeed be auctioned in the same fashion, though
I would not wish to see this myself.  It could be done in precisely in the
same fashion and at the same time not allow anyone a specific superior
position to grab all the IPv4 address blocks.  As the FCC did with spectrum,
one could do the same with the IPv4 address space by reserving portions
of that IPv4 space for certain size of companies, individuals, and non-profit
companies as well a charity organizations ect...

> There are NOT that many address
> available: just over 4 billion (US billion, that's 4 thousand million
> european style). Just looking at fortune 500 companies is pretty much enough
> to say that they would buy it out on their own, that is if no one of them
> decided to go for the lot.

  Well I have already dissected the argument that some company or financially
powerful
wealthy individual (ie Bill Gates in you example.  So you conclusion in this
argument just doesn't stand up under further review.  Not only that, with
reserving
portions of the IPv4 address space to smaller companies, non-profit orgs.,
individuals,
and charity organizations virtually eliminates the fortune 500 form dominating
the
acquisition of all of the IPv4 address space.  Now, that said, we also have the
IPv6 address space along with the possibility of the IPv8 address space still
being available and also could be dealt with accordingly with what eh FCC did
with channel spectrum.

  However, I would rather see that the IPv4 address space be provided biased
on need at no cost by the USG.

  I would also add that currently is it not also so that the IPv4 address space
is already being sole in compliance with RFC1918?  I believe it is.

> And what would happen from there, just basically
> reselling IP space at higher and higher prices. And what are you going to do
> if someone in another country "uses" the same IP's as you (there WOULD be
> the cash incentive to save on IP purchasing...), sue them? HAH!

  This is an invalid argument based on what I have already outlined as a
possibility and what Jim Flemming suggested in general.  Besides that,
under RFC1918, IPv4 address space is already being sold in compliance
with RFC1918 which ARIN is currently adhering to.

> This on it's own would probably create a fracture of the internet right down
> the middle, between those who decide to go it their own way and "share" IP
> addresses in much the way that it's done today a-la-RIPE etc... and those
> who got ripped off by the "auction of IP addresses".
> This is certainly one whacky proposal.

  I would characterize this suggestion from Jim Flemming as not well advised,
given the current growth of the need of IPv4 address blocks not withstanding
the large ISP's na IAP's hoarding of quite a bit of the IPv4 address space
already, such as some of what APNIC made evident from their own
reports.  But to use a term such as "Whacky" as exclamatory to say the
least.

>
>
> > Supposedly, we are soon going to see what the U.S. Government
> > has decided to do. They are between a rock and a hard place.
> > If they withdraw completely, they have to deal with the issue of
> > making the IANA, ARIN and all other companies pay for the assets
> > they are borrowing. If they do not withdraw, then the U.S. Government
> > has to play a more active role in understanding the issues and
> > making sure their agreements with various companies are meeting
> > their needs.
>
> Erm, wasn't electricity discovered in the US? Maybe the US should auction
> usage of the electrons... Would raise quite a bit of cash too...
>
> > IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race
>
> Hmmm, maybe Jim wants to auction the IPv8 space to the world... AHA, *NOW* I
> understand what he's getting at...

 Well if I recall, Jim intimated on an earlier post that he usually gives things

away the he has invented.

>
>
> Yours, John Broomfield.
>
>

regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com