Re: FW: APNIC's Censorship (Was: Re: Removal from APNIC lists)

[Karl Denninger <karl at mcs.net>]

May I suggest that all persons who so indicate be recorded, including their
full name and organizational affiliation.

Just in case, of course, such an organized campaign of action should ever
occur and Mr. Fleming might want to know who "authorized" same.

This kind of "suggestion" is simply amazing, coming from someone involved in
a group which is supposed to be open, transparent, and operates to set
policy and procedure for things which are clearly in the public trust.

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On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:19:34AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>     From: Jim Fleming <JimFleming at unety.net>
> 
> May I suggest to the IESG that we take the occasion of the next IETF Plenary
> (when some large percentage of us, including many who have *never* sent email
> to this list, are in one room) to ask for a "show of hands" from everyone who
> thinks Mr. Fleming is an ill-informed, misguided, and disruptive player?
> 
> The anticipated substantial majority of those feeling that way, at such a
> venue, should go a long way to proving that the antipathy displayed toward Mr.
> Fleming by most posters is shared by all of the IETF, not just those few who
> post. It's unclear that it will have any effect on Mr. Fleming, however, but
> it will provide ample justification for whatever appropriate measures are
> deemed necessary to minimize the damage he's doing.
> 
> 
>     Also ask yourself WHY the U.S. Government continues to delegate millions
>     (if not billions) of dollars in IPv4 resources to an organization called
>     APNIC.
> 
> The IP address space is not the sole and unencumbered property of the US
> Government, no matter what over-simplicifications your confusion leads you to.
> 
> 
>     > Further, the people most susceptible to Flemings lies, red herrings,
>     > and fantasies, the people who are new to the Internet, are generally the
>     > people who have the least understanding about how to employ filters.  In
>     > some cases, the new individuals are government representatives or are
>     > otherwise in positions of power.  Given Fleming is filtered by most
>     > people who don't have too much time on their hands, what results is
>     > a one sided Fleming-tinged view of various facets of the Internet.  Thus
>     > you have the problem that the very people who most likely need accuracte
>     > information are unable to obtain it as those who could give a more
>     > accurate view of reality are precisely the one who have either
>     > unsubscribed or who delete Flemgrams pre-sight.
> 
> David's observation here is an acute and important one.
> 
> 	Noel