IS, RS, and DS == CORE+80+Emergent

["Jim Fleming" <JimFleming at unety.net>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Perry E. Metzger <perry at piermont.com>
To: Richard J. Sexton <richard at sexton.com>
Cc: List at giaw.org <List at giaw.org>; ietf at ietf.org <ietf at ietf.org>;
discussion-draft at giaw.org <discussion-draft at giaw.org>;
domain-policy at open-rsc.org <domain-policy at open-rsc.org>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Tired of Waiting


>
>"Richard J. Sexton" writes:
>> At 12:48 PM 7/16/98 -0400, John Charles Broomfield wrote:
>> >Well, if that is the case, and seeing that Chris can sell at $35/yr,
with
>> >registrar AND registry integrated, why doesn't he divest from the
registry
>> >part, just stick to the registrar part, and bundle in with CORE.
>>
>> Why doesnt CORE just use IOD instead of emergent?
>
>IOD didn't bid on the contract. Emergent bid on the contract.
>
>> I suppose the answer is, Chris, like many of us feel
>> anybody should be allowed to buy a domain direclty
>> without *having* to go through a middleman that does
>> nothing except click on a web form anf mark it up
>> as a memebr of a club where dollars, not clues, are the
>> price of entry.
>
>You are totally mischaracterizing the system.
>
>The central locking database maintained by CORE is just that -- a
>database. It is not a business. It isn't set up to take payments, make
>payments, handle incoming orders, handle phone support or phone calls,
>or any of the other things that would make it a business. It is just
>an organization that maintains an Oracle database in a closet. The
>registrars are not "middle men". They are doing virtually all of the
>actual work.
>
>The only thing the CORE database does is make sure that they don't
>step on each other's feet and provide a central source for the DNS
>information to be generated from.
>


This is basically the InterNIC model of IS, RS and DS.

Information Services - IS - CORE
Registration Services - RS - Registrars
Data Base Services - DS - Emergent

In the original InterNIC this was...

IS - GA
RS - NSI
DS - AT&T

NSI originally said they wanted to do all
three functions. It took 5 years for them
to get to that point. The NSF allowed them
to do that. It started when IS was defunded
after a couple of years. They were the glue.
Without the glue, RS was able to eclipse
DS and AT&T recently bowed out. NSI now
remains....see http://www.internic.net and
compare the site to the original web pages.
GA never made it on the web version. They
did not last that long. NSI had already
absorbed those functions. The NSF allowed
them to do that. IS was never re-bid.

The basic idea in the model is that when you
have three companies (profit or non-profit),
they provide checks and balances. You still
need public oversight of the three companies
to make sure they do not spin out of control.
The NSF failed to provide that public oversight.

The POC and PAB seem to be trying to provide
the public oversight in this version of the
IS, RS, DS model. POC and PAB may be
stronger than the NSF, which allowed all of this
to degenerate into a mess, while paying the
I* people more money in grants as they did it.


Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com