Re: An Interested Citizen

[Thomas Dineen <thomasd at hicam-msd.hitachi.com>]

Mr. Allisat:

    Well I did warn you, several times, that this reflector if for
the discussion of "mumbo-jumbo geek talk " only.

   By the way being a capitalist at heart I wholly concur with
Mr. Balling's comments shown below.

   IETF and IANA make the standards.
   
   But the type and availability of Internet service is totally up to
the local capitalist Internet service providers. Local businessmen are
free to adopt standards such as those of the IETF, IANA, or ISO or they
may base there services upon proprietary standards. They are free to
do what ever, in their opinion, their local market requires.

   We tried to warn you about this!
   
Thomas Dineen        




>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:13:07 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Derek Balling <dredd at megacity.org>
>> To: domain-policy at open-rsc.org
>> cc: list at ifwp.org, DOMAIN-POLICY at lists.internic.net, ietf at ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: An Interested Citizen
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Bob Allisat wrote:
>> 
>> >  I am very concerned that IP address space should
>> >  be vastly expanded and universally accessible.
>> >  After all currently I require an IP address for
>> >  every domain name anyone has. So it only makes
>> >  sense that every citizen needs one or two IP
>> >  addresses.
>> 
>> If you need one IP address for every domain name you're doing something
>> wrong. I currently have two domains and a single IP address and seven
>> machines.
>> 
>> There are plenty of means of sharing a single IP address actross multiple
>> domains, and of properly utilizing RFC1918 space so as to minimize actual
>> "live" IP usage. The average person can make do with one "live" IP
>> Address.
>>  
>> >  I would like to be able to be my own service
>> >  provider and look forward to the day when technical
>> >  standards are made much more approachable and 
>> >  simpler without all the mumbo-jumbo geek talk.
>> 
>> Do you somehow believe you can describe the assembly of a TCP/IP
>> connection without using technical terminology? The "mumbo-jumbo geek
>> talk" is called "Technical Terminology", and if it is too complicated,
>> then the reader needs to learn what it means.  You can't have it both
>> ways, Bob. You can't have the "grassroots thing" of days gone by if the
>> people planting the grass seed don't know how it all works.
>> 
>> >  Citizen end users are extremely concerned. 
>> 
>> Sadly, the concerned are the minority. The average internet user is
>> completely oblivious to the changes pending and occurring around them in
>> Internet infrastructure.
>> 
>> >  the Internet. It is *OUR* network and we have every
>> >  right to control it. 
>> 
>> No, Bob, you keep wanting that to be the case, but its just not true. The
>> network is, does, and will continue to be the property of the myriad
>> companies who own/lease the circuits and hardware that make it tick. Just
>> because you have an internet connection does not mean you have some
>> "right" to transmit data  across someone else's network. They may grant
>> you that PRIVILEGE, on the condition that you don't abuse it. But since
>> they pay for their equipment and circuit, they have every right to hand
>> you a big hammer and tell you to go pound salt.
>> 
>> D
>> 
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