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"Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > I doubt any average homeowner could effectively run a > firewall. It is necessary that the devices be secure ab initio, and > only communicate to properly authenticated and authorized > sources. And yet, there is a trend towards "personal firewalls". Linux includes a firewall out of the box (with the ipfwadm and ipchains components). Several products are on the market for Windows -- see http://grc.com/su-firewalls.htm . One product is very user-friendly, it seems to me that any homeowner could use it. So, perhaps the same company could also make a NAT that any homeowner could use? Because if the problem of NATs is easy of use, and this is the key being banged here (the NY School Board example, etc.) then it is a problem of design. However, if the problem is concept, in which way are NATs different from gateways, conceptually speaking? And, gateways are useful, no? Further, it seems to me that if NATs are to be blamed for the demise of IPv6, or its ad eternum delay, then maybe this is what the market wants -- a multiple-protocol Internet, where tools for IPv4/IPv6 interoperation will be needed ... and valued. A commercial opportunity, clearly. Which can, undoubtably, be put in a sound theoretical framework for NATs, in network topology. NATs do not have to be a hack. They seem to have been discovered before being modeled, that is all. So, much as I side with Perry's defense of IPV6 though, I cannot side with a downplay of NATs in order to leave more room for IPv6. Indeed, NATs can help IPv6 interoperate... so, it is by definition, useful. And firewalls are IMO much more homeowner-friendly than "ab initio security". So, we need to be careful otherwise the baby goes with the baby water ;-) Cheers, Ed Gerck
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