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I was not present so I could not clarify. It does seem pretty
clear that these days, "bad-ideas" are often floated and experimented
with in other venues and only after vetting are brought to the IETF
for standards approval/rubber stamping.
in my experience, plenty of bad ideas survive such "vetting".
but those who bring them to IETF still expect the rubber stamp.
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