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> The point being that if you have an arbitrary bunch of firewalls and > NATs between any two points, then you are forced into telephone-like > "call set-up" scenarios, which don't really scale to large groups, > specially when the application consists of sporadic messages to > arbitrary destinations. or in general, that networked applications sometimes involve more than two parties that are mutually communicating (and they don't necessarily use TCP exclusively) a lot of the proferred solutions seem to assume that pairwise mappings are sufficient; they aren't. Keith
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