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Perry, a substantial subset of the readers of the ietf list subscribe to the list via some other means - whether ietf-censored or some other sub-list or a web archive. so a list of subscribers to the main ietf list doesn't make a very good filter. personally, I like the ietf-censored filtering model - both because it doesn't place much burden on the secretariat and also because it doesn't invite accusations of censorship toward IETF. Keith
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