RE: Voting (again)

["Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker at verisign.com>]

Nomcon can use any mechanism they like to select candidates, it makes no
difference.

Nomcon is not accountable to anyone by design, its decisions are not
binding on anyone as a result.

To have authority you have to accept accountability.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces at ietf.org] On 
> Behalf Of Lakshminath Dondeti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:00 PM
> To: Joe Touch
> Cc: Dave Crocker; ietf at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Voting (again)
> 
> 
> Nomcom does use voting.  Please see RFC 3777.
> 
> I am a member of the current Nomcom, and we tried consensus first and 
> then used voting to reach our decisions.  (I even learnt how 
> Condorcet 
> voting works :-)).
> 
> best,
> Lakshminath
> 
> Joe Touch wrote:
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> >Dave Crocker wrote:
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> >>>When the IETF pays for the 60% (80%, 100%, take your pick) 
> of an AD's 
> >>>salary, they can elect ADs.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Funding of candidates isn't the issue.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I disagree; short of funding candidates or reducing the 
> workload (the 
> >latter, IMO, would be more appropriate), the list of willing 
> candidates 
> >is a significant part of the problem.
> >
> >...
> >  
> >
> >>The problem with voting is that the IETF does not have a membership 
> >>list, so
> >>there is no real basis for running a "vote". The nomcom 
> process is intended as 
> >>a surrogate, randomly selecting motivated "representatives".
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >That is a kind of a voting process. First, you have to have 
> attended a 
> >certain number of previous IETFs to be eligible for NomCom 
> >participation (which is not unlike the 'attend X meetings before you 
> >can vote' rule in the IEEE and other organizations). How the NomCom 
> >reaches consensus is not specified, but may involve votes.
> >
> >Joe
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