RE: improving WG operation

["Steve Silverman" <steves at shentel.net>]

It seems to me that the fundamental problem is that most of the
meeting
has not read most of the drafts let alone the latest version under
discussion.
There is a fundamental IETF tenet that nothing is explained but there
is a false assumption
that the people in the meetings have read the drafts.  Whenever I've
seen the chair ask how many hve read
the draft, it is usually < 5%.  I think this is a key issue but the
solution is not obvious.  Nobody can
read the number of drafts that are issued for a meeting. Not even for
the subset of attended WGs.

Other organizations have proponents explain what they are proposing.
IMO this leads to a better quality of discussion.
But this limits the number of topics that can be worked on in a week
to far less than the IETF tries to cover.

Steve Silverman


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf_censored-admin at vesuvio.ipv6.tilab.com
> [mailto:ietf_censored-admin at vesuvio.ipv6.tilab.com]On
> Behalf Of Margaret
> Wasserman
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:10 AM
> To: Dave Crocker
> Cc: ietf at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: improving WG operation
>
>
>
> >People can and do use powerpoint slides in many ways.
> Some folks will rework
> >text in real-time, based on interaction with the
> participants.  Some folks
> >just talk their slides rather than actually engaging with
> the participants.
> >
> >A thing to keep in mind is that slides and the jabber
> activity can be
> >incredibly helpful to folks for whom English not their
> native language.
> >
> >I think that, in fact, the issue is not
> powerpoint-vs-no-powerpoint.  I think
> >it is exactly and only the concern you raise:  meetings
> need to be for working
> >group interaction.  If that is the clear goal and if the
> meeting is run with
> >that goal enforced, then none of the trappings matter.
>
> I completely agree with this.  And, I've been to plenty of
> non-interactive lectures that didn't involve any slides.
>
> Dave, do you have any thoughts about how we can change the IETF
> culture from presentation to interaction (with or without slides).
> This is something that the IESG has been talking about,
> among others,
> but I'm not sure that we've come up with any really
> concrete ways to
> provoke/encourage this change.
>
> Margaret
>
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