RE: Complaining about ADs to Nomcom (Re: Voting (again))

[Margaret Wasserman <margaret at thingmagic.com>]

At 10:52 AM -0700 5/7/05, Christian Huitema wrote:
> >  What level of turnover do you think would be healthy?  And what would
> >  be the impacts of having more new ADs each year?
>
> My personal preference would be an average of 4 to 6 years. You have to
> ensure turnover for multiple reasons: even if you have the best
> intentions, power does corrupt, attention fades, you get disconnected
> from your peers, you develop an us versus them attitude, etc. I don't
> necessarily believe in term limits, but remaining in an AD position for
> more than 8 years feels very unhealthy.

I agree with you, but I think we may be discussing a serious problem 
that has already been solved.  By my (possibly inaccurate) count, he 
current IESG members have been serving for the following lengths of 
time:

Brian Carpenter, new
Ted Hardie, 2 years
Scott Hollenbeck, 1 year
Mark Townsley, new
Margaret Wasserman, 1+ years
David Kessens, 2 years
Bert Wijnen, 7 years
Bill Fenner, 3+ years
Alex Zinin, 3 years
Sam Hartman, < 1 year
Russ Housley, 2 years
Allison Mankin, 5 years (plus 4 years previously)
Jon Peterson, 2 year

So, only one AD has been serving sequentially for longer than your 
proposed 4-6 year period, and this group of 13 people has been served 
on the IESG for a total of 33 years, or an average of ~2-1/2 years 
per AD.

Contrast this with the IESG from two years ago (March 2003) with 
their lengths of service as of that date:

Harald Alvestrand, 2 years (plus 4 years previously)
Steve Bellovin, 1 year
Scott Bradner, 10 years
Randy Bush, 4 years
Patrik Faltstrom, 5 years
Bill Fenner, 1+ years
Ned Freed, 3 years
Allison Mankin, 3 years (plus 4 years previously)
Thomas Narten, 6 years
Erik Nordmark, 4 years
Jeff Schiller, 9 years
Bert Wijnen, 5 years
Alex Zinin, 1 year

These 13 people has served (as of March 2003) on the IESG for a total 
of 62 years, or an average of ~4-3/4 years per AD. 

Only 4 of these 13 ADs who were severing in March 2003 are still 
serving 2 years later, so we have seen a turnover of approximately 
70% of the ADs in a two year period.

Do you actually think that we need an even higher turnover?  Or are 
you pointing out an historical problem which may have been corrected 
over the past two years?

Margaret



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