Re: [dean@av8.com: Mismanagement of the DNSOP list]

[Brian E Carpenter <brc at zurich.ibm.com>]

Nicholas Staff wrote:
> > ----- Forwarded message from Dean Anderson <dean at av8.com> -----
> >
> > FYI: I am being threatened for posting operationally relevant 
> > criticism of 
> > mis-operation of the F DNS Root server on the DNSOP list.
> >
> > --
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:55:20 -0700
> > From: David Kessens <david.kessens at nokia.com>
> > To: Dean Anderson <dean at av8.com>
> > Cc: David Meyer <dmm at 1-4-5.net>, Rob Austein <sra at hactrn.net>,
> >     Bert Wijnen <bwijnen at lucent.com>
> > Subject: [david.kessens at nokia.com: Re: [dnsop] An attack that 
> > DNSSEC would
> >    have defended against...]
> >
> >
> > Dean,
> >
> > To avoid any misunderstandings: My message is an official warning to
> > you that I will propose to the IESG to remove your posting privileges
> > if I see one more abusive mail from you.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David Kessens
> > ---
>
>
> Since I have been informed that this actually is the forum for this
> discussion according to RFC 3683 I will ask for a clarification from David
> on this whole thing.
>
> David, the way it reads to me is you warned Dean you would go to the IESG if
> he continued what you felt were abusive posts.  Dean in turn informed the
> IESG of your warning because he felt it was unwarranted and being used by
> you as a tool to silence someone who had a differing technical opinion.  You
> then used his complaint to the IESG as an instance of another abusive post
> and requested to have his privileges removed.  Is that basically correct?
> If so are you telling me that I have to be afraid of ever voicing a
> complaint or problem to the IESG because an AD can use that as a reason for
> retribution?  This to me transcends Dean and whether or not his posts are
> abusive - I'd like to know (maybe someone else has the answer) if I can be
> penalized for lodging a complaint with the IESG.

No, but on the other hand WGs, the IESG and the IETF as a whole are fully
entitled to defend themselves against denial of service attacks. If someone
persistently sends off-topic mail over a long period, or mail making acccusations
that are clearly outside the IETF's scope, or simply repetitions of the same
point over and over, that is in effect a DoS and that is why we have RFC 3683.

And to be very clear, if two parties are at odds outside the IETF, that must
stay outside the IETF. Inside the IETF (i.e. on our mailing lists and at
our meetings) there is no place for external disputes.

WG Chairs, the Area Directors, and the IESG do have authority here.

    Brian


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