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Stephen,
Frankly you're on the wrong list for that. My advice to IETF newcomers is to pick a couple of interesting WGs and join their lists. This list is where non-specific discussions happen.
Your reaction is therefore understandable. This list doesn't represent the real work of the IETF.
Brian - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brian E Carpenter IETF Chair
hello ,
I am a first time poster , I have been on the lists for only a couple of months .and I have to agree with this line of thought .
I believed I would be witnessing the birth of new standards , but sofar this is not the case .
Stephen Skinner
-----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces at ietf.org [SMTP:ietf-bounces at ietf.org] Sent: 07 October 2005 16:08 To: Noel Chiappa Cc: ietf at ietf.org Subject: Re: PR action against anyone [Re: Anyone not in favor of a PR-Action against Jefsey Morfin]
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Brian E Carpenter <brc at zurich.ibm.com>
> To put it bluntly, you and some others have changed the topic to:
we
> don't like RFC 3683.
I must admit a certain amount of bemusement at the current debate, since
the
IETF list has, historically (although not in the last couple of years,
IIRC)
lifted for long periods of time the posting rights of certain
problematic
posters, and the sky didn't fall.
I (and I suspect others) view the current free-speech-at-any-cost idea
as
just one more sign of the decay of the IETF as a body which actually
does
useful stuff.
I don't know if they are related, but your point seems very valid to me. IOW, from watching and reading over many years, the recent (2?) years seems like a "crying" wish to get back to a successful IETF, back to its hayday (or glory days), instead of what it has become lately.
-- ~Randy
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