Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail (dkim)

[Dave Crocker <dcrocker at bbiw.net>]

John,

> As I am sure you will recall, I've been very concerned since you
> first proposed this about the notion of a WG that starts on the
> assumption that almost all of the work is done and proven in the
> field and that the IETF's role is limited to fine-tuning that
> really does not change anything... 

1.  "fine-tuning that really does not change anything" is a
mis-representation of what I have described.

2.  I did not "propose" anything.  I noted that the transfer of existing
technology into the IETF has an inherent issue with deciding whether to
protect existing work and how much to protect it, and I noted that this
is a long way from the first time the IETF has chosen to protect quite a
bit.

3.  What work do you want to have done by the working group that is
prohibited by the the charter language in question?


>     I believe that,
> in situations that are superficially similar, my colleague Dave
> Crocker has argued that the IETF should not take on the work at
> all because there is no value added other than endorsement. 
> But
> perhaps my memory is bad or this situation is subtly different.

or perhaps not so subtly.

Does "superficially similar" mean "not really similar"?

In any event, I'm sure you can substantiate your claim, here. It would
be a shame for such an assertion not to be amenable to deeper evaluation.


> It seems to me that you and your colleagues have asked for a
> charter constraint that asserts wide deployment and, on that

I believe the language that has been used does not match the language
you are using.


> 	 (i) you are obligated to demonstrate that sufficient
> 	production-level deployment actually exists to justify

John, if you do not care about 2 years of prior technical, development 
and deployment prior work, then please simply say so.

If you do not care about 5 months of open-participation discussion and
revision to the charter that reached rough consensus on the draft
charter text *twice*, then please simply say so.

Welcome to the modern IETF.

Infinite time to raise abstract principles, absent any specific
technical concerns.

No time to focus on concrete work.

An excellent productivity disincentive for the community.

d/

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