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From: Yaakov Stein [mailto:yaakov_s at rad.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:25 PM
To: Gray, Eric; Brian E Carpenter
Cc: ietf at ietf.org
Subject: RE: objection to proposed change to "consensus"> However, the text objected to in this case argues that
this process should be extended by a process of counting the
people who don't publicly participate in the discussion, either
way, as having tacitly given their approval to whatever side of
the argument the authors, the WG chairs or the IESG choose.
Wow, did we say all that?All we are saying is that for the issue we are discussingthere is no WG. The only list that is open to its discussionis the general list, where there is no support.However, quite a large number of people who actively participatein IETF WGs (people who are interested in working on technical topics,but not on the internal workings of the IETF) who want the processchanged.We proposed gauging interest by a show of hands at a plenarymeeting, rather than by the number of yes votes on this list.Yes, even that is not optimal since there are people who preferworking in the terminal room or touring in the evenings,but it certainly seems to be a better way of finding out whatMOST IETF participants want than only reading this list.I fail to see how this is equivalent to allowing authors or chairsto decide for themselves what should be done.Y(J)S
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