Re: Making IETF happening in different regions

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>]

Let me rephrase it for a better understanding:

I agree that some kind of confidentiality in the negotiation is required,
but the common starting point for the overall sponsorship cost should be
openly well-known. I think this thread has demonstrated the general
ignorance about the real costs, which in turn, doesn't help to take a good
decision about the right model to follow.

The confidentiality is needed mainly because small sponsorship variations
due to local specifics.

Moreover, is ridiculous to keep the process secret when people who may be
involved or informed about the negotiation being part of IETF bodies, and
should keep the confidentiality about that, may be spreading rumors before
they are facts.

I also agree with you, I'm very concerned and noticed this very recently,
about the lack of openness in IETF protocol development, which seem to turn
into secret negotiations and long-time planned WG guidance.

Regards,
Jordi

PS: I may be wrong, but I think that I know slightly more about meeting
logistics and negotiation than probably the average protocol engineer,
having organized entirely myself 3 events for up to 800 people, some others
for about half that people, and participated in all the details for a 3500+
event, in addition to several international exhibitions. I'm missing an IETF
itself though :-(.


> De: Keith Moore <moore at cs.utk.edu>
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>> It will also be a more open process. Today, in my opinion, having to
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Let me rephrase it for a better understanding:

I agree that some kind of confidentiality in the negotiation is required,
but the common starting point for the overall sponsorship cost should be
openly well-known. I think this thread has demonstrated the general
ignorance about the real costs, which in turn, doesn't help to take a good
decision about the right model to follow.

The confidentiality is needed mainly because small sponsorship variations
due to local specifics.

Moreover, is ridiculous to keep the process secret when people who may be
involved or informed about the negotiation being part of IETF bodies, and
should keep the confidentiality about that, may be spreading rumors before
they are facts.

I also agree with you, I'm very concerned and noticed this very recently,
about the lack of openness in IETF protocol development, which seem to turn
into secret negotiations and long-time planned WG guidance.

Regards,
Jordi

PS: I may be wrong, but I think that I know slightly more about meeting
logistics and negotiation than probably the average protocol engineer,
having organized entirely myself 3 events for up to 800 people, some others
for about half that people, and participated in all the details for a 3500+
event, in addition to several international exhibitions. I'm missing an IETF
itself though :-(.


> De: Keith Moore <moore at cs.utk.edu>
> Responder a: <ietf-bounces at ietf.org>
> Fecha: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:48:11 -0500
> Para: <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> CC: "ietf at ietf.org" <ietf at ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: Making IETF happening in different regions
> 
>> It will also be a more open process. Today, in my opinion, having to
>> negotiate with each possible sponsor in secret, is a broken concept, and
>> against our openness.
> 
> I'm a lot more concerned about openness in IETF protocol development.
> some kinds of negotiations really do need to be done in secret.
> 
> IMHO, having protocol engineers who know next to nothing about meeting
> logistics try to dictate such terms is a broken concept.
> 
> Keith
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