Re: Meetings in other regions

[Marshall Eubanks <tme at multicasttech.com>]

Hello;

On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:

> At 16:01 13/07/2006, Sam Weiler wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
> >
> > > I think it is quite simple: What matters to me is the total costs  
> > > of meeting rooms, breakfast, coffee and connectivity, or the  
> > > stuff covered by the registration fee.  I'm prepared to pay a  
> > > registration fee at roughly the current level for those things,  
> > > plus the costs of my hotel room and plane ticket.
> >
> > I'd expect you to be concerned about the total cost of lodging 
> > +registration, rather than just the registration fee treated in  
> > isolation.
>
> Well, I care about the costs of the trip in total as travel is a  
> factor
> too.  (And probably more about the costs of the bar, since I cannot
> charge those to my employer.)
>
> My point is that as long as we get the whole package, I don't really
> care about what it says for the individual items.  So what if we  
> have to
> pay for breakfast and coffee but get the meeting rooms free?  Do you
> really think that we'd get the rooms for free if we didn't order food?
> Of course not, the hotels look at the whole package that we order and
> come up with a price for that.  Take out one item and the price for  
> the
> others will change.

I think that that is the way to look at it.

> > According to the slides presented last night, the hotel room cost  
> > subsidizes the other items -- IASA got a commission on the room  
> > block in Dallas
>
> The commission usually requires that at least X people stay in the  
> host
> hotel.

Yes, which is why you generally cannot just not apply it to the room  
rate. At any rate, "money is fungible" and
anything lost from commission would have to come from somewhere else.



> >  and presumably will get one here.  And, as Jordi pointed out, the  
> > convention in many regions is for hotels to provide breafast,  
> > which presumably shifts the breakfast cost from the meeting fee  
> > into the hotel room cost.
>
> The thing with hotel rooms is that they also strongly depend on the
> location of the hotel, so it is not easily possible to compare a X$  
> room
> without breakfast in city A, with a Y$ room with breakfast in city B.

Very true.

Regards
Marshall

> >  One might imagine that we could even charge more for hotel rooms  
> > and less for registration across the board.
>
> But if you charge too much, people will start to look for hotel rooms
> elsewhere and less people will stay in the host hotel.   Which means
> that we don't get the commission (or pay more for food and meeting  
> rooms).
>
> Bottom line: I think that the IETF gets good deals for registration  
> and
> rooms, I certainly don't want to second guess what they could have
> negociated for individual items.
>
> Henk
>
>
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