Re: NOMCOM term limits... Re: Now there seems to be lack of communicaiton here...

[John C Klensin <john-ietf at jck.com>]

--On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:20 AM -0700 todd glassey 
<tglassey at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John - the problem, is that management doesn't want either of
> us to gain any traction on reform or process with real
> oversight, and actually for all my
> ssssssssssssssssssssssssscreaming into the wind all I really
> want is a process that actually is fair and open.
>
> Again - I think the answer is a cafeteria style
> standardization process where the IETF nor IESG are
> responsible for the actual promotion of proposed standard to
> standard status ...

Todd,

I think you are describing no standardization process at all. 
Maybe it would be a specification-publishing process, but 
perhaps anyone could do that with a few web pages and an ability 
to shout "people should pay attention to me" and then see if 
anyone listens.

Again, if you have a proposal that is specific enough to stand 
careful review and scrutiny, then write it up as a well-formed 
I-D and get it posted.    At the moment, my assumption is that 
even your definition of "fair and open" differs from the general 
consensus of the IETF community _and_ that of the implementer/ 
user community.  No amount of mailing list posting will reverse 
that assumption, only a proposal that is specific enough to 
really evaluate.

Without such a proposal, you are doing little more than 
screaming "I don't like the way it works, you are required to 
change it" over and over again.   That is not persuasive. 
Indeed, "screaming" may be the wrong metaphor wrt what you are 
doing into the wind.

   john

p.s. If I felt that there were a management conspiracy against 
openness or fairness around here, I'd just quietly go somewhere 
else and try to encourage others --including vendors and 
implementers-- to follow.  The IETF is really not that 
important; the development work, products, and the Internet are.


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