Re: NOMCOM term limits... Re: Now there seems to be lackof communicaiton here...

[Theodore Tso <tytso at mit.edu>]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 12:30:40PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> Yes Keith even the incompetent get to speak here. And that includes you too.

Yes, the incompetent do get to speak here.  That has been amply
demonstrated on this and other threads, without naming anyone in
specific.  And, the incompetent, if they attend a sufficient number of
IETF meetings, are also capable of putting their names into the hat
and have a random chance of being selected to serve on the Nomcom,
like everyone else.  There is the hope that by the time have served on
the requisite number of IETF meetings and worked on various IETF
projects, that they will have learned enough about the community which
they are proposing to serve that they won't, perhaps, be as
incompetent as when they first started.

No, it is not a mob rule by the uneducated.  Some would say this is a
good thing.  The uneducated mob can and does rule by exerting pressure
on the vendors, of course.  So they do have a role to play in this
whole process, even if they don't get to vote on the IETF management
structure. 

						- Ted

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On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 12:30:40PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> Yes Keith even the incompetent get to speak here. And that includes you too.

Yes, the incompetent do get to speak here.  That has been amply
demonstrated on this and other threads, without naming anyone in
specific.  And, the incompetent, if they attend a sufficient number of
IETF meetings, are also capable of putting their names into the hat
and have a random chance of being selected to serve on the Nomcom,
like everyone else.  There is the hope that by the time have served on
the requisite number of IETF meetings and worked on various IETF
projects, that they will have learned enough about the community which
they are proposing to serve that they won't, perhaps, be as
incompetent as when they first started.

No, it is not a mob rule by the uneducated.  Some would say this is a
good thing.  The uneducated mob can and does rule by exerting pressure
on the vendors, of course.  So they do have a role to play in this
whole process, even if they don't get to vote on the IETF management
structure. 

						- Ted

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