Has anyone looked at the DISCUSS Criteria document lately? (Re: Should I* opinions be afforded a special status? (Re: [saag] Declining the ifare bof for Chicago))

["Spencer Dawkins" <spencer at mcsr-labs.org>]

So, I am curious. Have people looked at 
http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/discuss-criteria.html (which I BELIEVE is 
the current form of the DISCUSS Criteria document - this really needs to be 
an ION, but that's another story)?

Does this look like the kind of "guidance" Randall is talking about?

Thanks,

Spencer

p.s. I tend to agree with many things that have been said in this thread, 
but want to give credit to recent IESGs who have documented things that 
weren't actually written down (DISCUSS criteria, many-but-not-all of BOF 
proposal evaluations, etc.).

From: "Randall Gellens" <randy at qualcomm.com>



> At 7:00 PM -0400 6/22/07, John C Klensin wrote:
>
> >  I believe that we should be selecting IESG and IAB members who
> >  can and will exhibit very high levels of technical maturity and
> >  breath, and consistent good judgment.   I believe that being
> >  sufficiently mature and self-aware to avoid either substituting
> >  one's own judgment for that of the community or imposing one's
> >  personal preferences as a blocking requirement is a corollary of
> >  that selection criterion.   If we cannot find enough people like
> >  that, we should shrink the relevant bodies and, if necessary,
> >  the amount of work the IETF tries to do, rather than trying to
> >  get by on third-rate people.
>
> I agree with John here, but I see problems with this in practice.  In 
> particular, what to one person is clearly substituting one's own judgement 
> or preference, is to another just showing good judgement. So it is hard to 
> truly select such mature people, because the same person will appear to 
> some as mature and to others as inappropriate.
>
> One thing we can try to do is to have more clear criteria for exercise of 
> discretion.  Not in the form of hard rules, but simply as more detailed 
> guidance that we can hopefully update with experience. That makes it 
> easier to determine if someone is abusing discretion. 




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