RE: IPv4 to IPv6 transition

[Ray Plzak <plzak at arin.net>]

Brian,

My comment was regarding a head in the sand approach when it comes to the recurring themes that the developing world can't IP address space, whether it is v4 or v6. The fact is that they can get it from the RIR like those in the developed regions can get it from their RIRs. The real problem, in other words, putting head in sand, is to substitute this address space access issue for the real one of what can the recipients of the address space do with it when they get, particularly if they have no hardware to run it on, no electricity to power it, and no upstream willing to route it. It is those issues that need to be hit head on if the Internet is to really grow in the developing regions of the globe.

Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:39 PM
> To: Ray Plzak
> Cc: Tim Chown; ietf at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition
>
> Ray,
>
> I don't think it's quite fair to refer to ostriches
> when ARIN is already on record:
> http://www.arin.net/v6/v6-resolution.html
>
> Also, for those who like to see things in real time,
> there's always http://penrose.uk6x.com/
>
> Regards
>     Brian Carpenter
>     University of Auckland
>
>
>
>
> On 2007-10-03 02:47, Ray Plzak wrote:
> > Head in the sand is substituting the statement "shortage of IP
> addresses" for the condition of the inability to use the addresses
> (take your pick when it comes to infrastructure deficiencies).
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:32 AM
> >> To: ietf at ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote:
> >>> Ray Plzak wrote:
> >>>> The shortage of IPv4 addresses in developing countries in a red
> >> herring.
> >>> that has to rank as one of the mceived: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 5003)
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Brian,

My comment was regarding a head in the sand approach when it comes to the recurring themes that the developing world can't IP address space, whether it is v4 or v6. The fact is that they can get it from the RIR like those in the developed regions can get it from their RIRs. The real problem, in other words, putting head in sand, is to substitute this address space access issue for the real one of what can the recipients of the address space do with it when they get, particularly if they have no hardware to run it on, no electricity to power it, and no upstream willing to route it. It is those issues that need to be hit head on if the Internet is to really grow in the developing regions of the globe.

Ray

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:39 PM
> To: Ray Plzak
> Cc: Tim Chown; ietf at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition
>
> Ray,
>
> I don't think it's quite fair to refer to ostriches
> when ARIN is already on record:
> http://www.arin.net/v6/v6-resolution.html
>
> Also, for those who like to see things in real time,
> there's always http://penrose.uk6x.com/
>
> Regards
>     Brian Carpenter
>     University of Auckland
>
>
>
>
> On 2007-10-03 02:47, Ray Plzak wrote:
> > Head in the sand is substituting the statement "shortage of IP
> addresses" for the condition of the inability to use the addresses
> (take your pick when it comes to infrastructure deficiencies).
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:32 AM
> >> To: ietf at ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote:
> >>> Ray Plzak wrote:
> >>>> The shortage of IPv4 addresses in developing countries in a red
> >> herring.
> >>> that has to rank as one of the most bizarre statements that's ever
> >> been
> >>> made on the ietf list.
> >> More of an ostrich than a herring?
> >>
> >>
> >>    .="""=._
> >>      /  .,   .`.
> >>     /__(,_.-' ||
> >>    `    /|    ||
> >>        / |    ||
> >>         \|    ||
> >>  ~~~~~ ~ |\ ~~!)~~~~~~~
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
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ost bizarre statements that's ever
> >> been
> >>> made on the ietf list.
> >> More of an ostrich than a herring?
> >>
> >>
> >>    .="""=._
> >>      /  .,   .`.
> >>     /__(,_.-' ||
> >>    `    /|    ||
> >>        / |    ||
> >>         \|    ||
> >>  ~~~~~ ~ |\ ~~!)~~~~~~~
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ietf mailing list
> >> Ietf at ietf.org
> >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Ietf at ietf.org
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> >


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