RE: IETF Website Redesign Effort

["Eric Gray" <eric.gray at ericsson.com>]

Mark,

	Unfortunately, the way I read this, it is effectively not
the latter.  The impression I am left with is that 10 volunteers
are being asked for feedback on changes.  Assuming this is an
iterative process, their collective feedback could have almost
any arbitrary degree of impact on the final result - depending
on how well developed the current plan is and how responsive the
change makers expect to be to feedback.

	Hence the value of Brian's observation that there should
be some effort to determine if the general outline of planned
changes is something that most people agree to.

	Also, as has been politely hinted at already, the sample
selection method is likely to "poison" the sample.  Why the first
10 starting from a specific message at a specific time convenient
to only a narrow set of time zones?  Why only 10?  Why publish 
the names of the victim^H^H^H^H^Holunteers?  None of these seem
to be the sort of factors one would like to see in getting a 
reasonable cross section of the (probably) tens of thousands of
people who use the IETF website on a regular basis (where is that 
visitor counter, or the web-site at the moment, anyway?).

--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces at ietf.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Nottingham
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:53 PM
> To: Russ Housley
> Cc: ietf at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: IETF Website Redesign Effort
> 
> The message on-announce was worded as if these people would be  
> *performing* the redesign, but I read your message below as saying  
> that they'll serve a a pool of testers.
> 
> I sincerely hope the truth is closer to the latter...
> 
> 
> On 08/05/2008, at 6:11 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
> 
> > Stephane:
> >
> >>> We are inviting the first ten (10) interested members of the IETF
> >>> community who respond to this email to become a part of 
> the website
> >>> redesign team. If you are interested in assisting with 
> this effort,
> >>> please respond to this email as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> It is no longer "rough consensus and running code", it is 
> now "quick
> >> click and no SMTP latency".
> >
> > This approach was taken at my suggestion.
> >
> > These early reviewers are so that the Secretariat can get some
> > feedback about the new design without have a large number of people
> > pile on.  Think of it as a product test group.  Once these folks are
> > comfortable that the new design is an improvement, there will be an
> > opportunity for broader comment.
> >
> > Russ
> > IETF Chair
> >
> >
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