Re: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

[Lakshminath Dondeti <ldondeti at qualcomm.com>]

On 6/17/2008 9:45 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> 
> 
> Lakshminath Dondeti wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing this information.  Now that the community knows 
>> this, perhaps this will be an option when there are snags in the 
>> process in future.
> 
> 
> Folks keep missing the point:  The current situation is not about 
> lacking creativity or options.  It is about having rules but failing to 
> follow them or inventing them on the fly.

I am not claiming that not having precedence (which is now corrected to 
widely-known precedence) is the only problem.  However, there is a point 
here in that if one or two ADs are "failing to follow [rules] or 
inventing them on the fly," what are the rest of the IESG members doing?

I have received a few responses, offline and in this thread to that 
question.

regards,
Lakshminath

> 
> What David's note underscores is that it is entirely possible to take 
> even a difficult Discuss and attempt to pursue it actively and 
> constructively.
> 
> His seeking to assess consensus within the IESG is an exemplary case of 
> trying to work as a team rather than an 'expert' individual.
> 
> d/
> 
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On 6/17/2008 9:45 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> 
> 
> Lakshminath Dondeti wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing this information.  Now that the community knows 
>> this, perhaps this will be an option when there are snags in the 
>> process in future.
> 
> 
> Folks keep missing the point:  The current situation is not about 
> lacking creativity or options.  It is about having rules but failing to 
> follow them or inventing them on the fly.

I am not claiming that not having precedence (which is now corrected to 
widely-known precedence) is the only problem.  However, there is a point 
here in that if one or two ADs are "failing to follow [rules] or 
inventing them on the fly," what are the rest of the IESG members doing?

I have received a few responses, offline and in this thread to that 
question.

regards,
Lakshminath

> 
> What David's note underscores is that it is entirely possible to take 
> even a difficult Discuss and attempt to pursue it actively and 
> constructively.
> 
> His seeking to assess consensus within the IESG is an exemplary case of 
> trying to work as a team rather than an 'expert' individual.
> 
> d/
> 
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