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Eric Gray wrote:
(By the way, I hope folks are clear that IETF use of these words as
normative
does not depend upon the case that is used?)

This is NOT true.  These terms are explicitly defined in all capital letters
to make it possible to distinguish when they are being used as normative and
when they are not.


Sorry, no.  Please re-read rfc 2219.  Specifically:

     "These words are often capitalized."

The key word is "often" which means not always which means not required.

Computer science long ago made the mistake of imposing semantic difference on
case differences, which is distinct from other uses of case.  Absent explicit
specification of case sensitivity for the keywords, the rules of English writing
apply, I would think.


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Eric Gray wrote:
(By the way, I hope folks are clear that IETF use of these words as
normative
does not depend upon the case that is used?)

This is NOT true.  These terms are explicitly defined in all capital letters
to make it possible to distinguish when they are being used as normative and
when they are not.


Sorry, no.  Please re-read rfc 2219.  Specifically:

     "These words are often capitalized."

The key word is "often" which means not always which means not required.

Computer science long ago made the mistake of imposing semantic difference on
case differences, which is distinct from other uses of case.  Absent explicit
specification of case sensitivity for the keywords, the rules of English writing
apply, I would think.


In text tha meant to be normative, the special terms should be
avoided - even in lower case - but this can lead to exceptionally stilted use
of the English language.

Not really.  Words like "can" and "ought" do the job nicely.

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t is not meant to be normative, the special terms should be
avoided - even in lower case - but this can lead to exceptionally stilted use
of the English language.

Not really.  Words like "can" and "ought" do the job nicely.

d/
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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  bbiw.net
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