Re: placing a dollar value on IETF IP.

["TS Glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis at gmail.com>
To: <tbray at textuality.com>
Cc: "TS Glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>; "IETF Discussion" 
<ietf at ietf.org>; <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: placing a dollar value on IETF IP.


> Todd,
>
> I generally agree with Tim that it would be difficult to put a value
> on any IETF submission without an actual transfer of assets of some
> sort to set a price.

The costs of replicating the works - say from a tech writer skilled in an 
area is a reasonable place to start. Take the hourly rate and then multiply 
that times the number of hours involved and the number of people.

I suggested that the unbundling of the R&D costs was appropriate since all 
the IETF publishes is a set of document-standards per se.

> However, in general, if a company feels that there is IPR value in
> technology they are going to include in a submission (and this really
> deals with ANY kind of standards submission, not just to the IETF),

How do you figure they 'deal' with how much it costs to send people to the 
IETF several times a year. Also to cover the costs of their local 
participation.

> they will most probably submit a patent application prior to the
> standards submission. So the existence of a patent declaration
> accompanying the submission at least provides a clue that the
> submitting company feels that there is some value there (else they
> wouldn't have bothered with the patent application).

Only if there is a real program inside the Sponsor to accomplish that. This 
is one of the issues in the IETF. There are many who are really enamored 
with the idea that the IETF is a fraternal benevolent society rather than a 
Intellectual Proeperty War Chest disguised cleverly as an International 
Networking SDO.

> However, a value generally can't be set until the company actually
> starts to issue patent licenses. The value could be as little as zero
> if no other companies feel compelled to license the technology.
>
> As always, the "value of the workproduct", as you put it, is set by the 
> market.

But the costs of creating it are not. That was the point. The baseline is 
the costs of replacing the written work.

> Cheers,
> Andy
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Tim Bray <tbray at textuality.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:27 AM, TS Glassey <tglassey at earthlink.net> 
> > wrote:
> > > Since there is now a specific value estimated by the LINUX community at 
> > > 1.4B
> > > for the kernel itself
> >
> > Hey, I've done an analysis and found that my toenail clippings are
> > worth $3.8762 billion.  That kernel-valuation exercise is the silliest
> > kind of science fiction.  Let me let you in on a little secret:
> > Everything in the world has a value, and that value is exactly what
> > people are prepared to pay for it.  No more, no less.
> >
> > On payment of a generous consulting fee, I would be delighted to
> > "estimate a specific value" for any given RFC or even I-D.  I'll even
> > issue gold-framed certificates you can mount on the wall.  -Tim
> >
> > > , the IETF can no longer hide its head in the sand
> > > claiming that its workproduct has no specific value. This also means 
> > > that
> > > ANY AND ALL contributions to the IETF no matter when they happened now 
> > > need
> > > to be formally acknowledged for their financial value at the time of 
> > > their
> > > contribution.
> > >
> > > This is not an OPTION.
> > >
> > > Todd Glassey
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