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No good can come of this thread. How about we wait a few months and see what happens after the fourth branch of government becomes part of the executive branch again on Jan 20th? On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:24 AM, YAO <healthyao at gmail.com> wrote: > > > according to IETF Meeting Venue From ietf-bounces at ietf.org Wed Nov 19 09:42:23 2008 Return-Path: <ietf-bounces at ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietf-web-archive at megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ietf-web-archive at core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A93A3A698F; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ietf at core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf at core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B6A3A69D9 for <ietf at core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m3DPpzAWrrtg for <ietf at core3.amsl.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.235]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033463A6808 for <ietf at ietf.org>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f17so2944123qba.41 for <ietf at ietf.org>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gkWM8s761KUNKE1fMIc1u1i5eS17uuHL9V5Dt5o6oX0=; b=bGQFQOI4Dt6BpsN3p31kgOib7wwA+kCQLBA+RQnMsZ6zWtseQ5JDZfDXk/AGuLGWSf PEQ0cmggmar3pmI76CQKO5qA5eRqTQGa86yYkNRFZw9pi7t2kgosnmHTrPLn9lh13jhh ytDillM35N/eIcm4nzSBqFnDhSxIi+FguFGeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=LbTUkeI9wx9Na+yevZX0a7sudHz6PSuN+2Yua1T6g3mbKcrdvtlpurXUv0HYeBRzfP VlOJ0zeO5jsPREM420wfjgxMP7Eqzidl9dTHryD5C7W2w+8K6y1tdhmrEgoIRv1TNgax Qiu2Q0fVe3rO40YjKY/Tz5oB4OvnLvO5QINLE= Received: by 10.181.225.6 with SMTP id c6mr23831bkr.207.1227030400342; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.211.19 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:46:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <a123a5d60811180946k71b8703flc4056f90350ef6fd at mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:46:40 -0600 From: "Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam at gmail.com> To: YAO <healthyao at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3 of draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria? In-Reply-To: <046f01c94946$591904c0$236ff1da at yaojk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811121117180.8743 at toro.popovich.net> <008601c944fd$950335c0$6801a8c0 at oemcomputer> <20081113165601.GA2969 at gsp.org> <B81943909B5DD6BFD3A486B3 at p3.int.jck.com> <20081114202027.GA28598 at gsp.org> <046f01c94946$591904c0$236ff1da at yaojk> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:42:21 -0800 Cc: 73attendees at ietf.org, ietf at ietf.org X-BeenThere: ietf at ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Post: <mailto:ietf at ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1864747032==" Sender: ietf-bounces at ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces at ietf.orgNo good can come of this thread.
according to IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria-04#section-2.3
which said "
2.3. Freedom of Participation
Meetings should not be held in countries where some attendees could
be disallowed entry or where freedom of speech is not guaranteed for
all participants.
"
My question is :"
Is USA qualified for 2.3 of draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria as IETF Meeting Venue ?"
It seems that many IETFer are disallowed to enter USA for ietf meeting when ietf is held in USA this time or other times
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