Re: Why the IETF is irrelevant to the future of e-mail

[Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de>]

That reminds me of no-ip.com.

name belong to them. typo belongs to a gangster.

I used to have a workstation myname.typo with their dynamic dns.

When a friend sent me an email to myname.typo a lot of peculiar
things happened.

I informed no-ip about that gangster abusing their name.

That is when I lost my account.


I did not know what happened until I sent a dig or a whois
about typo to somebody else.


I don't dare spelling that domain in an email again.


That is all you need to get yourself on a blacklist.


Kind regards
Peter


John Levine wrote:
> Nothing personal, but you could hardly ask for a better
> illustration.
> 
> For one thing, this isn't a case of broken DNSBLs, it's a case of
> getting what you asked for.
> 
> Rather than using shared DNSBLs, this tiny host on a non-profit public
> access network is desperately trying to run its own spam filters.
> Maybe you sent him blowback from spam with forged addresses, maybe he
> just mistyped someone else's address.  Whatever it was, in the absence
> of shared DNSBLs, the option isn't no filtering, it's a million local
> filters on a million mail hosts with millions of mistakes that can
> only be corrected one by one.  At least this one was competent enough
> to let you know that he'd rejected your mail.  A lot of the million
> mail admins aren't.
> 
> For another, "I'm too important to block" is not a winning long term
> response.  We're all important in somFrom ietf-bounces at ietf.org  Tue Dec  9 08:51:20 2008
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That reminds me of no-ip.com.

name belong to them. typo belongs to a gangster.

I used to have a workstation myname.typo with their dynamic dns.

When a friend sent me an email to myname.typo a lot of peculiar
things happened.

I informed no-ip about that gangster abusing their name.

That is when I lost my account.


I did not know what happened until I sent a dig or a whois
about typo to somebody else.


I don't dare spelling that domain in an email again.


That is all you need to get yourself on a blacklist.


Kind regards
Peter


John Levine wrote:
> Nothing personal, but you could hardly ask for a better
> illustration.
> 
> For one thing, this isn't a case of broken DNSBLs, it's a case of
> getting what you asked for.
> 
> Rather than using shared DNSBLs, this tiny host on a non-profit public
> access network is desperately trying to run its own spam filters.
> Maybe you sent him blowback from spam with forged addresses, maybe he
> just mistyped someone else's address.  Whatever it was, in the absence
> of shared DNSBLs, the option isn't no filtering, it's a million local
> filters on a million mail hosts with millions of mistakes that can
> only be corrected one by one.  At least this one was competent enough
> to let you know that he'd rejected your mail.  A lot of the million
> mail admins aren't.
> 
> For another, "I'm too important to block" is not a winning long term
> response.  We're all important in some areas e areas and unimportant in
> others.  Spam sucks, spam filtering sucks, DNSBLs suck, but in a world
> where >95% of all mail is spam, not filtering spam sucks way more, and
> it even sucks way more than filtering with occasional mistakes.
> 
> If, rather than trying to do his own filtering, this guy used some of
> the popular reliable DNSBLs (none of which list 69.25.196.31) both he
> and you would have avoided this screwup.
> 
> Much though we might wish otherwise, spam and spam filtering aren't
> going away, and by their nature, spam filters make errors.  Anyone who
> claims otherwise is way, way, out of touch.  Some of us would rather
> try to figure out ways to improve the delivery of real mail and
> minimize the errors than rant about it.
> 
> R's,
> John
> 
>>  herbert at gondor.apana.org.au
>>    Delay reason: SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data:
>>    host rhun.apana.org.au [64.62.148.172]: 451-sender IP address
>> 69.25.196.31 is locally blacklisted here. If you think
>>    451 this is wrong, please call +61289874478.
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and unimportant in
> others.  Spam sucks, spam filtering sucks, DNSBLs suck, but in a world
> where >95% of all mail is spam, not filtering spam sucks way more, and
> it even sucks way more than filtering with occasional mistakes.
> 
> If, rather than trying to do his own filtering, this guy used some of
> the popular reliable DNSBLs (none of which list 69.25.196.31) both he
> and you would have avoided this screwup.
> 
> Much though we might wish otherwise, spam and spam filtering aren't
> going away, and by their nature, spam filters make errors.  Anyone who
> claims otherwise is way, way, out of touch.  Some of us would rather
> try to figure out ways to improve the delivery of real mail and
> minimize the errors than rant about it.
> 
> R's,
> John
> 
>>  herbert at gondor.apana.org.au
>>    Delay reason: SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data:
>>    host rhun.apana.org.au [64.62.148.172]: 451-sender IP address
>> 69.25.196.31 is locally blacklisted here. If you think
>>    451 this is wrong, please call +61289874478.
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