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ned+ietf at mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > > Like it or not, sample size reallly does matter. But if you really do prefer > individual anecdotal evidence, I'll point out that in practically every bogus > blocking incident I've seen of late, the fault lies not with an operation like > Spamhaus, but with some local yokel who thinks he's come up with the FUSSP. > In the case government of austria contra spamhaus that local yokel must have been Bundeskanzler Gusenbauer ? Neither the austrian government nor their atnic.at is or has been sending spam nor are they selling domains. But spamhaus blocked them. All mailblockers are primarily mailblockers and sometimes they do hit spam. But it is in this list like in real spam live. One party believes in the holy blacklist also there are different cults who believe in their very own blacklist - and the other party knows all mailblockers are run by the devil and they can proof it. But a proof is nothing against a belief. Kind regards Peter -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter at peter-dambier.de http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.From ietf-bounces at ietf.org Wed Dec 10 00:05:35 2008 Return-Path: <ietf-bounces at ietf.org> X-Original-To: ietf-archive at megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ietf-archive at core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9163A6877; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ietf at core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf at core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543E33A6877 for <ietf at core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.772, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_PROFIT1=3.858, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Q4gBFw7RVfV for <ietf at core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50DD33A67E1 for <ietf at ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Dec 2008 08:05:22 -0000 Received: from p3EE3DEA8.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [7.19.30.41]) [62.227.222.168] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 09:05:22 +0100 X-Authenticated: #8956597 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19uAWw7iaZuxSuiVXYu0MXsPNEJr8B0wV+29gykww d1xxj2Qagh6huO Message-ID: <493F7841.2060604 at peter-dambier.de> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:05:21 +0100 From: Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de> Organization: Cesidian Root User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf at ietf.org Subject: Re: How I deal with (false positive) IP-address blacklists... References: <01N2VWXW3J4M00007A at mauve.mrochek.com> <C0F2465B4F386241A58321C884AC7ECC09EB3C5F at E03MVZ2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> <01N2VZWB0O8800007A at mauve.mrochek.com> <493EF43D.8020203 at network-heretics.com> <01N2WDGDBL5800007A at mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: <01N2WDGDBL5800007A at mauve.mrochek.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 OpenPGP: id=EB5CCB28; url=http://peter-dambier.de/pgp/ X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.75 X-BeenThere: ietf at ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: peter at peter-dambier.de List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Post: <mailto:ietf at ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request at ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-bounces at ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces at ietf.org ned+ietf at mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > > Like it or not, sample size reallly does matter. But if you really do prefer > individual anecdotal evidence, I'll point out that in practically every bogus > blocking incident I've seen of late, the fault lies not with an operation like > Spamhaus, but with some local yokel who thinks he's come up with the FUSSP. > In the case government of austria contra spamhaus that local yokel must have been Bundeskanzler Gusenbauer ? Neither the austrian government nor their atnic.at is or has been sending spam nor are they selling domains. But spamhaus blocked them. All mailblockers are primarily mailblockers and sometimes they do hit spam. But it is in this list like in real spam live. One party believes in the holy blacklist also there are different cults who believe in their very own blacklist - and the other party knows all mailblockers are run by the devil and they can proof it. But a proof is nothing against a belief. Kind regards Peter -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter at peter-dambier.de http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ httpfr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ ULA= fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48 _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf s://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ ULA= fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48 _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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