RE: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your comments on revised proposed legend text to work-around the Pre-5378 Problem

["Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreras at wilmerhale.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-ietf at jck.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:15 AM
> To: Ed Juskevicius
> Cc: ietf at ietf.org; ietf-announce at ietf.org; wgchairs at ietf.org; 
> iab at iab.org; iesg at ietf.org; rfc-editor at rfc-editor.org; 
> 'Trustees'; Contreras, Jorge
> Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your 
> comments on revised proposed legend text to work-around the 
> Pre-5378 Problem
> 
...
> I wonder if
> "Without obtaining... this document may not be modified
> outside..." is a stronger assertion than the Trust is in a
> position to make.  Would it not be preferable (and several words
> shorter) to just say something like "The IETF Trust cannot give
> permission for modifications of this document outside the IETF
> Standards Process, nor for derivative works outside the IETF
> Standards Process, except ..." (translated into appropriate
> legal language, of course).  
> 
> That way, you are giving no advice at all about licenses or
> people who might have rights.  You also aren't telling people
> what they can't do, only what you don't have enough permission
> or ownership to tell them they can do.   That just feels better
> to me.

Actually, those words are included in a legend that will be applied by
document authors.  Thus, the "speaker" is the author, not the Trust.
The author is telling the Trust (and everyone else) that derivatives
cannot be made to the pre-5378 material.  Does that help with your
discomfort?
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