Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII
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Tim Bray wrote: >>The existing plaintext ASCII format is easy and univerval. ?Any more >>fancy document formats come with plenty of problems and infinitesimal >>close to zero benefit. > AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGH!!!! Can't you notice fancy tool of you have wrongly translated a character in "univerval. ?Any" of quoted message, even though the original message by Martin Rex is pure ASCII. That is, two consequetive space characters " " before "Any" is translated to a space character and something else, which is not legible to me. > Oh, except for this data point. I have offered, and now repeat the > offer: At the point the IETF decides to improve the > internationalization, usability, accessibility, and longevity of its > specification format by recognizing some of the progress of the last > thirty years, I will commit to offering some cycles to help with tools > and specs, as appropriate. No thanks. You have successfully demostrated that, beyond ASCII, even the simplest character handling is impossible. Before saying something about long history of confusions and frauds on internationalization, please don't convert someone else's pure ASCII message into something else. Masataka Ohta
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