Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 15 March 2011 19:07 UTC

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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:09:01 +1300
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Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt
From: Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
To: Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev
<evnikita2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> 2011/3/14, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>:
>> There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we
>> can get consensus soon.
>>
>> Just a couple of remarks on
>>  5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels
>>
>> 1) Probably there should be a statement that all existing
>>    Internet Standard documents are still classified as Internet Standard.
>>    That may seem blindingly obvious, but if we don't write it down,
>>    somebody will ask.
>>
>> 2) More substantively,
>>
>>    "Any protocol or service that is currently at the Draft Standard
>>     maturity level may be reclassified as an Internet Standard as soon as
>>     the criteria in Section 2.2 are satisfied. This reclassification is
>>     accomplished by submitting a request to the IESG along with a
>>     description of the implementation and operational experience. "
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned that this doesn't scale, and we will be left
>> with a long tail of DS documents that end up in limbo. One way to avoid
>> this is to encourage bulk reclassifications (rather like we did a bulk
>> declassification in RFC 4450). Another way is to define a sunset date,
>> e.g.
>>
>>    Any documents that are still classified as Draft Standard two years
>>    after the publication of this RFC will be automatically downgraded
>>    to Proposed Standard.
>>
> I'm personally not sure whether such operations will be acceptable.
> If there is a Draft Standard, it means that it is more mature that
> Proposed Standrad.  Therefore downgrading DSs to PSs does not seem a
> good idea personally for me.  It is better to say that DSs should
> remain in this maturity level until properly advanced to FS, obsoleted
> or moved to Historic status.

All our experience shows that unless we have a firm sunset date, the job
will never be finished and in fifty years there will still be DS documents.

If nobody cares - the document will be downgraded. What's the problem
with that? It will still be on the standards track.

(Automatic downgrading to Historic would be a different matter.)

     Brian

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Tony Hansen
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… James M. Polk
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Dave CROCKER
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Brian Carpenter
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Brian Carpenter
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Brian Carpenter
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… James M. Polk
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Martin Rex
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Bill McQuillan
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Brian E Carpenter
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Yoav Nir
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Dave CROCKER
Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-… Mykyta Yevstifeyev