Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.txt> (Report on the Experiment with IETF Operational Notes (IONs)) to Informational RFC
Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com> Tue, 12 July 2011 16:49 UTC
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Hello, As Russ agreed to sponsor this document on I-D submission cut-off date, I did make only some minor changed proposed by him during AD evaluation. However I thought the document would be incomplete without analysis, so after LC I propose to add the following sub-section in the draft: > 3.4. Analysis and Results > > IONs were intended to serve as a means to document issues related to > procedures used by IETF or other parties, but to be more stable as a > simple web page and to have a more lightweight procedures for > approval than Best Current Practice (BCP) or other sort of RFC. Even > though such middle-ground approach might be quite useful, it also > brings a number of complexities and negative effects, which are > described below. > > First of all, IONs were mainly scoped to IETF procedural questions. > A number of IONs were published defining procedures used by IETF > community, such as ion-ad-sponsoring. However, it should be noted > that the formal procedure of IONs approval, laid out in RFC 4693 > [RFC4693] did not imply community involvement, unlike one for BCP or > other IETF Stream RFC. Even though RFC 4693 intended IONs to cover > issues not sufficient for documenting in BCP, this regulation was > often overlooked. This might have resulted in community non- > acceptance of such procedures, partial or full, if IONs were adopted > on the persistent basis. > > Moreover, as IONs were lower in the hierarchy of IETF documents that > RFCs, published RFCs may override what mentioned in a particular ION > (whereas a published RFC may change already established procedures), > which might result in them not being sufficiently followed, creating > documentation conflicts. > > Several IONS were published that describe the procedures used by IESG > or its members internally, such as ion-discuss-criteria or ion-tsv- > alt-cc. Such material is obviously more appropriate for publication > as IESG Statements, which are also meant to be quite stable when > published and are approved at IESG's discretion. > > A number of IONs were published covering different IAOC issues. Such > IONs included ion-execd-tasks and ion-subpoena. However, even though > IAOC works tightly with IETF, they have an ability to publish such > material on their site - <http://iaoc.ietf.org/>. > > A one ION - ion-procdocs - was a reference guide to the IWTF Process > documents. An other ION - ion-2026-practice - provided the criticism > and operational experience on RFC 2026 [RFC2026]. Both this > documents are fine as web pages, since the material contained in it > might change quickly and often. > > ion-ion-format and ion-ion-store were published for the purpose of > the IONs series itself and were discarded upon experiment closure. > They are not analyzed here. > > The aforementioned facts claim that IONs were less useful than the > equivalent information published in other way, and should be > abandoned, as proposed by Section 4 of RFC 4693 [RFC4693]. In order not to request the 2nd LC after this text is included, I'd like to seek community feedback on it during this Last Call. Thanks, Mykyta Yevstifeyev 12.07.2011 17:39, The IESG wrote: > The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider > the following document: > - 'Report on the Experiment with IETF Operational Notes (IONs)' > <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.txt> as an Informational RFC > > [ . . . ]
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Barry Leiba
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Mykyta Yevstifeyev
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… John C Klensin
- Community time as a limited asset (was: Re: Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Barry Leiba
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-yevstifeyev-ion-report-06.t… Mykyta Yevstifeyev