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Re: [IMRG] imrg futures

At 03:14 15/03/2005, vze275m9 at verizon.net wrote: 
Hi Henk:
What sort of thing did you have in mind that would "force" research?
One of the reasons that I suggested that the group tie itself to
measurement problems that CAIDA, RIPE and others have (both short and
long term) was to provide some motivation for us all to solve real
problems and contribute generally to the science of measurement...I
also liked Jennifer Rexford's suggestion of measurement in support of
network operations...

I guess my thought is to find something that needs doing and is of
general use and expend effort on that...


I don't think that finding topics that need to be done and have some
general use is the problem.  But once we have found the topic, then
we should also look at:

 * What do we exactly want to do (and what not).
 * Set some realistic goals and milestones for the near future (say
   months to a year).
 * Get commitment from people to spend time on this in this period.
 * Agree how to make progress.

Looking at myself, I don't think that the problem is to list things that
I'd be interested to look at if I had more time, the problem is to
find to time to look at them.

Henk









Regards,
Phil Chimento

On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:57, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:

At 03:32 07/03/2005, Mark Allman wrote:

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The problem that I see is not that we cannot come up with a set of
topics
that we want to discuss and pursue, but that the IMRG does not have a
framework that forces us to actually do some research, then write it
up and discuss it in a serious but not too formal setting.   On the
other
hand, there is a whole series of formal and informal workshops and
conferences (PAM200x, IMC, IEEE-E2EMON, RIPE TT-WG, NANOG's research
session, ..., etc, etc) with CFP's and meetings.  Most of us have
other obligations as well.  The net result of all this, is (or at least
seems to be) that we all end up with great plans what to do in the
IMRG framework, then find out that we have so many other deadlines to
meet that all these plans end up somewhere on the bottom of the stack.

The exception to this was the BEST workshop organized 2 years ago,
where a number of people on a topic met and discussed bandwidth
estimation
for 2 days and actually made progress.

We obviously should not try to organize yet another workshop on
measurements.  However, I do think that if we want to make progress in
this RG, we should not only come up with a list of topic, but also with
some plan that "forces" people to actually follow up on suggestions
and present/discuss results,

Henk


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