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Re: The Trust and licensing [Re: New version of my proposal posted]

Simon,

Simon Josefsson wrote: 
John C Klensin <john-ietf at jck.com> writes:


More generally, if we have designed a procedure for which we
need to use the threat of recall as the only mechanism to ensure
that an IETF consensus on licensing is followed, we are probably
in bad trouble.  I suggest that, if the IETF believes that IETF
consensus, especially on the policies to be followed by the
Trustees, should be binding on the IAOC and those Trustees, the
IETF needs to insist on that as a requirement.



I agree with John here.  Giving up the ownership of I-Ds and RFCs (and
trademarks, domain names, mailing lists, ...) to an organization
without a binding agreement that it will do as the IETF community
wishes seem frivolous.


It would be, but that won't happen. The IAOC is very much aware
that it exists to serve the IETF. My personal intention is to
ensure that the formal Trust procedures will contain this
condition. Voting those procedures into existence will be the
Trustee's first action, once the Trust is formally created.


Could someone point me to the IETF Trust Agreement?  I can't seem to
locate it.  The recently approved draft-carpenter-bcp101-update-03.txt
only include a normative reference:

   [2]  "IETF Trust Agreement, http://www.ietf.org/TBD.txt";, Month-
        TBD 2005.

I wonder how the public was supposed to be able to review that
document when one of the normative references had not yet been
written.


Indeed, that is why the normative reference was inserted, since the update
cannot become an RFC before that TBD is resolved. At the time, we were
obliged to keep the text confidential during negotiation.

You seem to have missed the announcement at
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg01703.html
which points to the Trust text and FAQ to be found at
http://koi.uoregon.edu/~iaoc/

There will be a definitive URL for the text soon.

    Brian



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