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Re: IETF IP Contribution Policy
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(I apologise to the ipr-wg list for being off topic,
but I believe one further factual clarification is
required.)
Larry, I am not a lawyer but I do understand enough
law to know that I cannot give you the Brooklyn Bridge,
because I don't own it. Thus:
On 2007-01-18 19:41, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
... (it also being understood that the licenses granted under this paragraph
(E) shall not be deemed to grant any right under any patent, patent
application or other similar intellectual property right disclosed by the
Contributor under [RFC3979]).
Your very selective quote from one document in a set of documents
is, as far as my non-lawyer understanding goes, merely saying
"The IETF cannot grant rights that it does not own."
That isn't in fact policy; it's a statement of the blindingly
obvious, in the context of the full set of documents.
As others have told you, it's not a "draft policy" in any case;
it's old news, first approved in RFC 3667 (January 2004),
but since it's a statement of the obvious, it wasn't news
even then. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but to me it's a direct
implication of the older formulation of the same IPR policy
approved in 1996. I don't think anyone implementing any IETF
standards has ever been in serious doubt about this point.
Regards
Brian Carpenter
IETF Chair
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Subject: Re: IETF IP Contribution Policy
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(Please forward to the non-IETF lists on copy.)
(I apologise to the ipr-wg list for being off topic,
but I believe one further factual clarification is
required.)
Larry, I am not a lawyer but I do understand enough
law to know that I cannot give you the Brooklyn Bridge,
because I don't own it. Thus:
On 2007-01-18 19:41, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
... (it also being understood that the licenses granted under this paragraph
(E) shall not be deemed to grant any right under any patent, patent
application or other similar intellectual property right disclosed by the
Contributor under [RFC3979]).
Your very selective quote from one document in a set of documents
is, as far as my non-lawyer understanding goes, merely saying
"The IETF cannot grant rights that it does not own."
That isn't in fact policy; it's a statement of the blindingly
obvious, in the context of the full set of documents.
As others have told you, it's not a "draft policy" in any case;
it's old news, first approved in RFC 3667 (January 2004),
but since it's a statement of the obvious, it wasn't news
even then. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but to me it's a direct
implication of the older formulation of the same IPR policy
approved in 1996. I don't think anyone implementing any IETF
standards has ever been in serious doubt about this point.
Regards
Brian Carpenter
IETF Chair
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