Re: recourse if our rules are violated?

["todd glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>]

Harald - That's not an answer... its a method of avoiding the issue which is 
apparently from the sheer number of times its been done here, something that 
this management likes to do.

The question is/are simple.

   1)     What happens to a filing (after its publication) that is found to 
have external IP constraints which were undisclosed???


   a) is there a way to pull the publication and prevent its use by those 
the IETF has given 'any and all uses' rights to?

   b) who is liable for the IETF's actions in publishing documents it 
doesn't have ownership of, or rights to publish since the IETF's copyright 
statement seems to prevent any recall or control of those IP's.

   c) in copyright-compliant publication models, there is a take-down 
provision which is made impossible by the IETF's current 'give it all away 
for any and all uses', so how does the IETF intend to address this issue 
since the Research Exemption would only apply to efforts within the IETF 
which were specific to approved IP initiatives IMHO...

   2)    What happens to a Standard that is found to have external IP 
constraints controlling it, that are found after the Standard's publication?

   3)     How does the IETF and its management protect itself from IP 
issues when it cannot recall any documents which were published wrongly, or 
is it the intention of the IETF to misrepresent its intent and actually to 
build processes to make it impossible from a real-world perspective to 
control IP submitted to it?

Todd Glassey



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald at alvestrand.no>
To: "todd glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>
Cc: "Simon Josefsson" <simon at josefsson.org>; "Frank Ellermann" 
<nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>; <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: recourse if our rules are violated?


> todd glassey wrote:
> > Simon -
> > "What happens to Standards efforts which are found to have IPR issues in 
> > them after the publication of the documents" is the issue... and that is 
> > still unanswered.
> It's answered, and the answer (so far) is "it depends on the situation".


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