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Re: LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt

todd glassey wrote:
Tobias I want to point out an inconsistency in how the IETF operates...
We are told that any and all submissions belong to the IETF, but according to the text disclaimer in your filing, the Open Text Corporation claims it holds and retains any and all rights to the text herein. That means that the NoteWell processes of the IETF DONT work here, and cannot by the very disclaimer you have on the mailings themselves.
This is not my doing - I am just noticing this and asking how NoteWell can possibly be called into effect when disclaimers like the one you have below are included in the mailing since I see no formal way of setting those terms and conditions aside. I dont mean this as a slam on the LTANS WG - this is the problem of the management of the IPR WG who is responsible for this screw-up IMHO.
There is precedent for this; the disclaimers on a message that is voluntarily and knowingly posted to a forum where the rules are different cause the disclaimers to be without any legal effect.

In particular, by sending the message to the LTANS list, Tobias Gondrom is bound by the IETF rules on contributions, no matter what his (IMHO silly) disclaimers say.

Harald
Todd Glassey

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Tobias Gondrom <mailto:tgondrom at opentext.com>
    *To:* ietf-ltans at imc.org <mailto:ietf-ltans at imc.org>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:33 AM
    *Subject:* LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt

    Hello dear LTANS WG,

    to progress with ers-scvp, I would like to announce WG Last Call
    for this document.

    Please make a last careful review of the draft and submit
    comments, questions and discuss items for this draft until
    July-05, so that we can present a final status on the draft at the
    Chicago meeting and submit it to the IESG soon.

    Thank you,

    Tobias

    Chair of LTANS


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