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Re: LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt

No Harald - ITS YOU WHO ARE WRONG...

If Tobias doesn't own the mail server and/or doesn't have legal power of
attorney for the mail server, then he cannot assign the ownership of
anything to anyone sent through that gateway whether you like it or not...
PERIOD.

But hey Harald - since you cannot provide ANY basis in fact for that
statement you made, and yet you continue to insist I am wrong... I suggest
that you get the IETF's lawyers to publicly say that "NoteWell overrides any
and all printed disclaimers or IP Ownership Statement's in any submissions
to the IETF"... and since we both know that this will open the IETF to
litigation from every SOX impacted company on the face of the planet
for attacking the controls they need on their email GW's, I am betting
that you refuse to do this too...

That said - Harald - either document that there is precedent in US Law to
set aside the disclaimer statement in the Tobias' email or back off the
commentary ...

Todd Glassey
----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald at alvestrand.no>
To: "Tobias Gondrom" <tgondrom at opentext.com>
Cc: <ietf-ltans at imc.org>; <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt


todd glassey wrote: 
Tobias I want to point out an inconsistency in how the IETF operates...
 We are told that any and all submissions belong to the IETF, but
according to the text disclaimer in your filing, the Open Text Corporation
claims it holds and retains any and all rights to the text herein. That
means that the NoteWell processes of the IETF DONT work here, and cannot
by the very disclaimer you have on the mailings themselves.
 This is not my doing - I am just noticing this and asking how NoteWell
can possibly be called into effect when disclaimers like the one you have
below are included in the mailing since I see no formal way of setting
those terms and conditions aside. I dont mean this as a slam on the LTANS
WG - this is the problem of the management of the IPR WG who is
responsible for this screw-up IMHO.

There is precedent for this; the disclaimers on a message that is
voluntarily and knowingly posted to a forum where the rules are
different cause the disclaimers to be without any legal effect.

In particular, by sending the message to the LTANS list, Tobias Gondrom
is bound by the IETF rules on contributions, no matter what his (IMHO
silly) disclaimers say.

Harald 
 Todd Glassey

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Tobias Gondrom <mailto:tgondrom at opentext.com>
    *To:* ietf-ltans at imc.org <mailto:ietf-ltans at imc.org>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:33 AM
    *Subject:* LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt

    Hello dear LTANS WG,

    to progress with ers-scvp, I would like to announce WG Last Call
    for this document.

    Please make a last careful review of the draft and submit
    comments, questions and discuss items for this draft until
    July-05, so that we can present a final status on the draft at the
    Chicago meeting and submit it to the IESG soon.

    Thank you,

    Tobias

    Chair of LTANS


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