Re: LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt

["todd glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net>]

Graham - NO its not backwards... and your analogy is a bit broken... let me 
illustrate:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Murray" <graham at gmurray.org.uk>
To: <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: LTANS WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ltans-ers-scvp-03.txt


> "todd glassey" <tglassey at earthlink.net> writes:
>
> > If Tobias doesn't own the mail server and/or doesn't have legal power of
> > attorney for the mail server, then he cannot assign the ownership of
> > anything to anyone sent through that gateway whether you like it or 
> > not...
> > PERIOD.
>
> Surely that is backwards.

Uh Nope... in our specific case here in the States, the US Postal Service is 
a "Quasi-Governmental Agency" and it is controlled by Law as to what types 
of media and 'stuff' can be sent through it, and that is analogus to this 
matter directly as well.

As I recall the same is true of the Royal Post and I can probably introduce 
you to its lawyers who will confirm this if you like.

> Posting through a gateway/mail server should
> in no way change the ownership/copyright of the material sent.


So then BCP78 is totally ineffective right - since that is what it claims 
happens when IP is sent to the IETF's Email GW... it becomes the property of 
the IETF by mearly sending it to the EMail GW itself.

> You had
> might as well claim that assignment by letter is not allowed unless the
> poster owns or has power of attorney over the Postal Service, which
> would obviously be ridiculous.

Again - As to the difference between the IETF and a Governmental Postal 
Agency like the USPS or the Royal Post, they dont have BCP78 which says 
"Anything sent through this email GW becomes the free and clear property of 
the IETF" either...

Simply put, they are not attempting to assert ownership over materials which 
is sent to or through their Email GW like BCP78 is.

Todd Glassey
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