--On 3. oktober 2007 12:36 +0200 Simon Josefsson <simon at josefsson.org> wrote:
Harald Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no> writes:
1) Insert a "read-only" license into -incoming, granting essentially the same rights as is granted to any other reader, but linking them to the submission agreement rather than to an IETF Trust grant decision:
That seems to be an OK approach. I support that it should be very clear for IETF contributors that they
Or those people they represent...
retain the copyright of their submission.
Todd Glassey
To make that as clear as possible, making that explicit in -incoming seems like a good idea.
Although the devil is iFrom ipr-wg-bounces at ietf.org Wed Oct 03 10:33:10 2007
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--On 3. oktober 2007 12:36 +0200 Simon Josefsson <simon at josefsson.org> wrote:
Harald Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no> writes:
1) Insert a "read-only" license into -incoming, granting essentially the same rights as is granted to any other reader, but linking them to the submission agreement rather than to an IETF Trust grant decision:
That seems to be an OK approach. I support that it should be very clear for IETF contributors that they
Or those people they represent...
retain the copyright of their submission.
Todd Glassey
To make that as clear as possible, making that explicit in -incoming seems like a good idea.
Although the devil is in the details, specifically:
5.10. Contributors retention of rights
.br
Notwithstanding any terms in this document to the contrary, in addition
to any rights under copyright retained by Contributor and in addition to
any rights generally granted by the TETF trust, Contributor retains, and
grants to each Co-Contributor to an RFC in which such Contributor's
Contribution, or a derivative work thereof may appear, the right:
Ouch! This goes way beyond "author retains their rights", it grants co-authors some rights to other co-authors' contributions.
More importantly, the text does not explain that authors retains the copyright in their contribution. That is the most important thing to describe in -incoming.
Just before anyone else goes off on this tangent: This is presently stated in -incoming, section 3.1 of the -01 version. This paragraph (note the section number) comes in *addition* to that, granting the parties submitting material some special right to what is produced (the RFC) based on their material.
The rights granted in this proposed text are, BTW, identical to those that the IETF grants to all readers in -outgoing; the difference is that since these form part of the rules under which the submitters licensed their contribution, it would be impossible to restrict those rights at a later stage. Not that I think there's any chance of such a restriction being imposed.
Harald
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