Re: Non-WG lists

["Frank Ellermann" <nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>]

Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
 
> (specific, listed examples deleted)

But I like *specific* examples not only in RFCs ;-)

I found a trick to see who submitted one of the 
specific examples, it was the listmom, ignoring
the SHOULD NOT footnote for some reason, maybe to
get a "NOTE WELL" effect for his list.  Still a
bit odd, without public archive the Trust won't
necessarily know what IETF contributions it owns.

I've submitted a bunch of lists to the "other lists",
most of them former WG lists like SMTP, NNTP, POP3EXT,
etc., but also lists like xml2rfc.  The latter is a
bit shaky, if the owner doesn't like it he might be 
forced to "unlist" it.  

For some lists like "IDNAbis" I intentionally didn't
try to submit them, maybe some of the posters won't
like to work under "NOTE WELL" rules.  Or FWIW other
IETF rules like Sam's RFC 4633 experiment.

The more legalese "you" (= IPR WG) invent the worse
it gets from my POV.  It contaminates everything, you 
could arrive at a point where nobody without the budget
to get legal advice can or *will* contribute.
   
>> I _think_ that the IPR business for articles in the
>> "other lists" is in essence limited to "there's at
>> least one public archive" and "if you post a really
>> good idea it might be adopted in an IETF standard
>> later, even if you don't like how that's done."
 
> Nope, on both counts.

Great, so far for KISS... :-(

> There is no requirement for a public archive

Okay, please tell the Webmaster to remove this clause
from the SHOULD NOT rules published on the "other
lists" page.  Maybe submit the IESG list and other
closed lists.  I'd offer an "1F" for DEA, if this
[meep] still exists.  

> any posting to any of those lists is a 
> "contribution" under RFC 3978 rules, which means
> that IF someone uses something posted there in the
> IETF process, he can assume that the original 
> poster has given permission to do so.

How does that differ from my second point ?  You said
"nope, on both counts".

 Frank


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