RE: Stupid question: How are "the rights to represent theSponsor"as codified in BCP78 and BCP79...

[Black_David at emc.com]

Simon,

> >> > The IETF works with individual contributors, full stop.
> >> 
> >> Good, maybe the BCP 78 legalese about some contributors 
> >> "representing an organization" can be removed or trimmed
> >> or clarified.
> >
> > Complete removal is not an option, courtesy of "work for hire":
> > 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire
> 
> Right, but the text shouldn't say that organizations grant 
> the IETF some
> rights.  I believe section 5.1 of -incoming currently says that.

I believe that "shouldn't" is incorrect ...

When "work for hire" applies, the copyright rights that -incoming
requires for the IETF have to come from the employer, not the
individual.  If -incoming winds up with language that obtains
rights only from the individual and not from the employer, then
when "work for hire" applies, IETF gets no rights (which would
not be a good thing).

I am subject to "work for hire", and I do have my employer's
permission to submit the Internet-Drafts that I author, so IETF
does get the copyright licenses that it needs, but those licenses
come from my employer (EMC), not me as an individual.

Sorry,
--David
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