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Re: Stupid question: How are "the rights to represent the Sponsor"as codified in BCP78 and BCP79...



I agree Don - What I am thinking is that at the very minimum ALL submissions which come in from an SMTP type submission channel need to be digitally signed with a publicly resolvable C.A. That way at least the IETF could claim that it relied on 'a strong eSign control' to assure proper paperless-transfer of the IP rights.

My biggest concern is that this entire system of IP management is based on a set of ever changing and never fully disclosed controls, and ones which have never been fully subjected to a Risk/Control Analysis to reveal the problems with it.

Anyway - thanks!

Todd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Armstrong" <don at donarmstrong.com>
To: <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Stupid question: How are "the rights to represent the Sponsor"as codified in BCP78 and BCP79...



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
I don't mean that the IETF should wilfully ignore rights; but we
*presume* that contributors aren't misrepresenting their rights when
they make a contribution.

We can presume that, but in the case where someone has misrepresented their rights to contributed works, the IETF doesn't magically get the rights to them either.

If a party other than the contributor later asserts that the
contributor misrepresented their rights, that would obviously end up
in the hands of the IETF's counsel. This has happened, extremely
rarely, and been resolved by negotiation. It's unlikely to be
clear-cut, though.

Indeed, thus "the IETF has the right to make derivative works in any case" is not correct. [Fruit of a poisoned tree, et al.]

To cause problems such as this from breaking out at all is why it's
generally a good idea to require contributor's employers to waive
rights specifically in writing.


Don Armstrong

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