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Re: Draft Trust Policy re: Rights in IETF Documents
Marshall Eubanks <tme at multicasttech.com> writes:
> On Jul 19, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Ray Pelletier <rpelletier at isoc.org> writes:
>>
>>> The second iteration of that Draft policy dated 7-17-08, along with
>>> its predecessor dated 7-04-08, can be found at:
>>> http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html in doc, pdf and txt
>>> formats.
>> ...
>>> Your input is most appreciated.
>>
>> Hi Ray. One of my earlier comments (#6) that Jorge agreed with
>> doesn't
>> seem to have been incorporated in the new draft. Quotes from earlier
>> discussions below. Was this simply forgotten, or could you give any
>> insight to the thinking around this issue?
>
> Dear Simon;
>
> Isn't this issue covered in part ii of the "Supersedure" paragraph ?
My mistake! I had run wdiff on the two different versions to compare
the changes, and didn't spot this change since it was buried deep inside
the paragraph.
I don't have any further comments on the final proposal. Thanks for
working with everyone to get feedback on the license text.
Thanks,
Simon
> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this document
> may be
> superseded by a written agreement between the IETF Trust and the
> licensee that specifically
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From: Simon Josefsson <simon at josefsson.org>
To: Marshall Eubanks <tme at multicasttech.com>
Subject: Re: Draft Trust Policy re: Rights in IETF Documents
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Marshall Eubanks <tme at multicasttech.com> writes:
> On Jul 19, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> Ray Pelletier <rpelletier at isoc.org> writes:
>>
>>> The second iteration of that Draft policy dated 7-17-08, along with
>>> its predecessor dated 7-04-08, can be found at:
>>> http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html in doc, pdf and txt
>>> formats.
>> ...
>>> Your input is most appreciated.
>>
>> Hi Ray. One of my earlier comments (#6) that Jorge agreed with
>> doesn't
>> seem to have been incorporated in the new draft. Quotes from earlier
>> discussions below. Was this simply forgotten, or could you give any
>> insight to the thinking around this issue?
>
> Dear Simon;
>
> Isn't this issue covered in part ii of the "Supersedure" paragraph ?
My mistake! I had run wdiff on the two different versions to compare
the changes, and didn't spot this change since it was buried deep inside
the paragraph.
I don't have any further comments on the final proposal. Thanks for
working with everyone to get feedback on the license text.
Thanks,
Simon
> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this document
> may be
> superseded by a written agreement between the IETF Trust and the
> licensee that specifically
> references and supeand supersedes the relevant provisions of this document,
> except that (i) the IETF Trust
> shall in no event be authorized to grant rights with respect to any
> Contribution in excess of those
> which it has been granted by the Contributor, and (ii) the rights
> granted shall not be less than
> those otherwise granted under this document.
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> /Simon
>>
>> Simon Josefsson <simon at josefsson.org> writes:
>>
>>> "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreras at wilmerhale.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comment #6:
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding section 5:
>>>>>
>>>>> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this
>>>>> document may be superseded by a written agreement between the IETF
>>>>> Trust and the licensee that specifically references and supersedes
>>>>> the relevant provisions of this document, except that the
>>>>> IETF Trust
>>>>> shall in no event be authorized to grant rights with respect to
>>>>> any
>>>>> Contribution in excess of those which it has been granted by the
>>>>> Contributor.
>>>>>
>>>>> This clause seems problematic for code: I don't want to excerpt
>>>>> code
>>>>> from an RFC under a BSD license and later find out that the
>>>>> license has
>>>>> been superseded by the GPL.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the intention behind this clause is that _additional_
>>>>> rights
>>>>> could be granted by the IETF Trust to some parties. Is that
>>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>> Correct
>>>
>>> Thanks for confirmation.
>>>
>>>>> A simple way to solve this would be add another exception: that you
>>>>> can't negotiate away rights already granted through this document.
>>>>> Thus, change the text to:
>>>>>
>>>>> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this
>>>>> document may be superseded by a written agreement between the IETF
>>>>> Trust and the licensee that specifically references and supersedes
>>>>> the relevant provisions of this document. There are two
>>>>> exceptions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) the IETF Trust shall in no event be authorized to grant
>>>>> rights
>>>>> with respect to any Contribution in excess of those which it has
>>>>> been granted by the Contributor,
>>>>>
>>>>> ii) the new terms cannot grant less rights that are
>>>>> granted through
>>>>> this document.
>>>>
>>>> I think that your item (ii) is a great idea. How about the
>>>> following
>>>> tweaks:
>>>>
>>>> "ii) the rights granted shall not be less than those otherwise
>>>> granted
>>>> under this document."
>>>
>>> Excellent.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Simon
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rsedes the relevant provisions of this document,
> except that (i) the IETF Trust
> shall in no event be authorized to grant rights with respect to any
> Contribution in excess of those
> which it has been granted by the Contributor, and (ii) the rights
> granted shall not be less than
> those otherwise granted under this document.
>
> Regards
> Marshall
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> /Simon
>>
>> Simon Josefsson <simon at josefsson.org> writes:
>>
>>> "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreras at wilmerhale.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comment #6:
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding section 5:
>>>>>
>>>>> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this
>>>>> document may be superseded by a written agreement between the IETF
>>>>> Trust and the licensee that specifically references and supersedes
>>>>> the relevant provisions of this document, except that the
>>>>> IETF Trust
>>>>> shall in no event be authorized to grant rights with respect to
>>>>> any
>>>>> Contribution in excess of those which it has been granted by the
>>>>> Contributor.
>>>>>
>>>>> This clause seems problematic for code: I don't want to excerpt
>>>>> code
>>>>> from an RFC under a BSD license and later find out that the
>>>>> license has
>>>>> been superseded by the GPL.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the intention behind this clause is that _additional_
>>>>> rights
>>>>> could be granted by the IETF Trust to some parties. Is that
>>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>> Correct
>>>
>>> Thanks for confirmation.
>>>
>>>>> A simple way to solve this would be add another exception: that you
>>>>> can't negotiate away rights already granted through this document.
>>>>> Thus, change the text to:
>>>>>
>>>>> b. Supersedure. The terms of any license granted under this
>>>>> document may be superseded by a written agreement between the IETF
>>>>> Trust and the licensee that specifically references and supersedes
>>>>> the relevant provisions of this document. There are two
>>>>> exceptions:
>>>>>
>>>>> i) the IETF Trust shall in no event be authorized to grant
>>>>> rights
>>>>> with respect to any Contribution in excess of those which it has
>>>>> been granted by the Contributor,
>>>>>
>>>>> ii) the new terms cannot grant less rights that are
>>>>> granted through
>>>>> this document.
>>>>
>>>> I think that your item (ii) is a great idea. How about the
>>>> following
>>>> tweaks:
>>>>
>>>> "ii) the rights granted shall not be less than those otherwise
>>>> granted
>>>> under this document."
>>>
>>> Excellent.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Simon
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