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RE: Jorge - Answer these question - or face litigation and theethicscommittee of your licensing bar assoc's
Todd, I can't speak for anyone else here, but I will accept your apology
only if you please shut up here at IETF. Otherwise, I have no further
response. /Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipr-wg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ipr-wg-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of TS Glassey
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12 PM
> To: lrosen at rosenlaw.com; 'Contreras, Jorge'; chair at ietf.org; 'Ray
> Pelletier - ISOC'
> Cc: ipr-wg at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Jorge - Answer these question - or face litigation and
> theethicscommittee of your licensing bar assoc's
>
> Larry -
> let me not be outdone by your pre-emptive actions in apologizing to me off
> list. I will apologize to you and Jorge on the list (Apology extended
> herein) but you still have to answer the questions.
>
> My apology is extended by the way is for being obnoxious in my insisting
> that these questions do need to be formally answered.
>
> In your abusive retort, you have represented that you have no
> responsibility
> to answer this, but as a officer of the court in fact you do, and that
> means
> you are intentionally preventing the rule of law into the IETF process
> which
> is a direct violation of your appointment to the Bar. If you like I can
> pull
> your copies of the CalBar filings and the actual oath itself if you want.
>
> As to my tone - I never defamed Jorge or you personally. As to Jorge
> himself, how could I possibly defame a Rhodes Scholar like with simple
> words. For the record, I have not called anyone "stupid" here, or
> otherwise
> defamed them in any way. What I have done is insisted that these questions
> need to be answered here and now.
>
> I also understand that they (my claims) do offend the hell out of you
> since
> they will stop the IETF from doing things apparently you consider
> important.
> But hey, if I am wrong about that please correct me here and explain what
> is
> really going on.
>
> Again my apologies for being offensive about the issue if PATENT
> PROTECTION,
> but again please answer the questions and document that I was wrong or
> agree
> that I am right since your commentary is that I was offensive in my posts.
>
> Todd Glassey
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lawrence Rosen" <lrosen at rosenlaw.com>
> To: "'TS Glassey'" <tglassey at earthlink.net>; "'Contreras, Jorge'"
> <Jorge.Contreras at wilmerhale.com>; <chair at ietf.org>; "'Ray Pelletier -
> ISOC'"
> <rpelletier at isoc.org>
> Cc: <ipr-wg at ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Jorge - Answer these question - or face litigation and the
> ethicscommittee of your licensing bar assoc's
>
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > As Jorge keeps reminding everyone, I am not IETF's attorney. But I am an
> > attorney, and so I am personally disgusted by the behavior of Todd
> Glassey
> > toward another attorney on this forum.
> >
> > There is a code of behavior among attorneys and presumably their clients
> > that promotes the calm and reasoned discussion of issues. That code does
> > not
> > allow anyone to insist to anyone else that certain "questions" be
> > answered.
> > There is simply no obligation by anyone to do so short of a subpoena.
> >
> > If people have questions they are expected to hire their own attorneys
> to
> > get them answered. My ONLY advice to Todd is that he retain his own
> > attorney
> > to answer his questions.
> >
> > At some point, IETF needs a policy to shut down some insulting
> > communicators
> > for the welfare of the other IETF participants. I've apologized before
> > when
> > I crossed the line in my emails. I wish now that Todd would apologize
> and
> > shut up, or that IETF enforce a formal policy to shut him up.
> >
> > /Larry
> >
> > Lawrence Rosen
> > Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm (www.rosenlaw.com)
> > 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482
> > 707-485-1242 * cell: 707-478-8932 * fax: 707-485-1243
> > Skype: LawrenceRosen
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipr-wg-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ipr-wg-bounces at ietf.org] On
> Behalf
> >> Of TS Glassey
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:48 AM
> >> To: Contreras, Jorge; chair at ietf.org; Ray Pelletier - ISOC
> >> Cc: ipr-wg at ietf.org
> >> Subject: Jorge - Answer these question - or face litigation and the
> >> ethicscommittee of your licensing bar assoc's
> >> Importance: High
> >>
> >> Jorge -
> >>
> >> I asked you these same questions a number of times, and you have
> >> intentionally answered any number of other questions rather than the
> ones
> >> I
> >> have asked, and you have done so in a manner that tries to invalidate
> the
> >> questions that were asked.
> >>
> >> I now have formal proof of my commentary about how the IETF's filing
> >> process
> >> prevents IP Patent's from being filed either here in the US or Japan
> >> based
> >> on the works of the IETF being formally included in the definition of
> >> PRIOR
> >> ART by the US Patent office and the Japanese Patent office. So unless
> >> you
> >> can disprove this commentary, it will have to stand as the truth.It
> also
> >> will formally put the IPR WG and more importantly their sponsor's that
> >> the
> >> IETF's conspiracy and direct actions in trying to make US Patent's
> >> impossible to protect just blew up in its face...
> >>
> >> Here are the questions as they were asked...
> >>
> >> 1) YES OR NO?: Under certain circumstances could the publication of
> >> IETF
> >> documents prevent Japanese Patent's from being granted for a Prior Art
> >> violations? YES or NO?:
> >>
> >> Here is some good JPO info...
> >> http://www.epo.org/patents/patent-information/east-
> >> asian/helpdesk/japan/faq.html
> >>
> >> http://www.jpo.go.jp/cgi/linke.cgi?url=/seido_e/s_gaiyou_e/4houe.htm
> >>
> >> 2) YES OR NO?: Does the publication of IETF documents trigger the
> >> one
> >> year time-clocks on registering materials described in those documents
> >> for
> >> US patent protection? i.e. could the IETF's publication of documents
> >> interact with or proscribe US and foreign patent filings in some
> >> instances?
> >> YES or NO?:
> >>
> >> In re this question, my research at the US PTO is below. It tells me
> that
> >> this also is true so unless you can tell me otherwise... According to
> the
> >> US
> >> PTO apparently all Scientific Publications are considered PRIOR ART
> >> http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2128.htm .
> >>
> >> Also notice the comment at the bottom of the page "about not having to
> >> ever
> >> have been read" just submitted to the IETF. That means whether the IETF
> >> publishes of not doesn't matter. Registering the IP with the IETF Trust
> >> for
> >> publication is the act which topples your house of cards. If you need
> >> more
> >> see also http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/priorart/#whatispriorart for
> a
> >> rolling
> >> layman's commentary on the issue of PRIOR ART.
> >>
> >> As long as we are at it. Lets ask another nasty one...
> >>
> >> 3) YES or NO?: Does the IETF's "respect of other's IP's" per the
> >> description of BCP78 ss 3.1 include US and Foreign patents? YES or
> NO?:
> >>
> >> So Jorge - unless you are formally saying the US and Japanese Patent
> >> Office's websites are wrong, can you please answer the two questions
> >> above
> >> please formally here for Ray and the IETF Chair? And especially
> Question
> >> 3
> >> before I have a Judge tell you to answer these same questions in a
> Court
> >> of
> >> Law. One which we both know will in fact happen if you don't answer
> those
> >> questions formally here.
> >>
> >> Jorge - [in my best Pee Wee Herman] I'm Still Waiting.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Personal Disclaimers Apply
> >>
> >> TS Glassey
> >>
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