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Re: Call for volunteers to discuss IETF patent policy with Richard Stallman



Richard M Stallman wrote:
    Without debating your point about the terminology, the IPR working
group was concerned with copyright as well.
Patents raise an issue of whether people will be allowed to use the
standard.  Copyrights raise an issue of writing a spec that the IETF
can publish.
So what - the IETF can and should issue standards TO ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE - it is not the IETF's charter to use its technology process to force change in the world, That is the FSF's game. Its also NOT the IETF's charter to use its refusal to issue a standard as a weapon.
Both issues are important for the IETF,
No BOTH issues are important to the FSF - the IETF already has a charter and billions of dollars worth of IP built under those pre-existing contractual agreements.
but aside from that, they are
totally different.  The term "IPR" encourages people to suppose they
are similar, and lump them together.
No it doesn't - it gives Harald a reason for 'suspending me when I point out that IPR must by its very definition pertain to patent and copyrights equally.
That is an obstacle to thinking
clearly about the issues.
No its an obstacle to your points being persuasive - its that brick wall FSF keeps running into.
I won't say it is impossible to resist the influence of the term "IPR"
and think properly about each issue despite it.  But why use a term
that exerts a bad influence?  Better to avoid it.
Because the history of the IETF is that the ANY AND ALL USES clause pertains to both and there is too much standard process IP out their under that license to turn away from it.



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