Re: 5378 Procedures Fix

[Scott Brim <sbrim at cisco.com>]

Excerpts from Ray Pelletier on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 05:22:39PM -0400:
>    o  They, or people helping them, must make reasonable efforts to
>       obtain or verify the agreement of the original contributors to
>       their text being contributed under the terms of RFC 5378.
>
> I disagree with this.  Of the last 5,000 plus RFCs I understand
> there  have been fewer than 5 occasions when the IETF has provided
> the right to modify an RFC outside the IETF  standards process.  I
> would shift the burden to the Trust to 'make reasonable efforts to
> obtain or verify the agreement of the original contributors to their
> text being contributed under the terms of RFC 5378', rather than
> have the Contributors do it, on an as-needed basis.

This is an interesting idea.  Or even better, push it outside.  I'm
being a little impatient here but I've been taught to ask who has the
problem here, really?  It's the people who want to use the work
outside of the IETF.  "ipr=pre5378Trust200902" already leans that way,
but perhaps "ipr=pre5378Trust200904" could generate an additional more
explicit sentence like "anyone who wants to use this material needs to
ascertain for themselves its copyright status, since neither the
authors nor the IETF guarantee it."


Excerpts from Ray Pelletier on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 02:12:31PM -0400:
> Rather than do that let the IETF Trust work with the 3rd party to
> obtain the necessary licenses when the appropriate occasion arises.

Sure.

Scott