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Re: 5378 Procedures Fix



Scott Brim wrote:

Scott-
The simplest solution is a statement "that the IETF bears no responsibility for the IP licensing and that all of the relying parties are responsible to do their own diligence" and this would include the parties implementing the interoperability verification ports and the test-plan for proving that interoperability.

But hey - this simple change also probably makes the Trust totally unnecessary IMHO too, so its likely that those who's professional careers are tied to servicing the IETF process wont be to happy about this idea.

Todd Glassey
Excerpts from Ray Pelletier on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 05:22:39PM -0400:
   o  They, or people helping them, must make reasonable efforts to
      obtain or verify the agreement of the original contributors to
      their text being contributed under the terms of RFC 5378.

I disagree with this.  Of the last 5,000 plus RFCs I understand
there  have been fewer than 5 occasions when the IETF has provided
the right to modify an RFC outside the IETF  standards process.  I
would shift the burden to the Trust to 'make reasonable efforts to
obtain or verify the agreement of the original contributors to their
text being contributed under the terms of RFC 5378', rather than
have the Contributors do it, on an as-needed basis.

This is an interesting idea.  Or even better, push it outside.  I'm
being a little impatient here but I've been taught to ask who has the
problem here, really?  It's the people who want to use the work
outside of the IETF.  "ipr=pre5378Trust200902" already leans that way,
but perhaps "ipr=pre5378Trust200904" could generate an additional more
explicit sentence like "anyone who wants to use this material needs to
ascertain for themselves its copyright status, since neither the
authors nor the IETF guarantee it."


Excerpts from Ray Pelletier on Thu, Mar 12, 2009 02:12:31PM -0400:
Rather than do that let the IETF Trust work with the 3rd party to
obtain the necessary licenses when the appropriate occasion arises.

Sure.

Scott
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